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Why it’s “conspiracy theory” to think it could have been done by some previous advanced civilization? The fact is modern people is still not able to build the

by miika 6y ago

Why it’s “conspiracy theory” to think it could have been done by some previous advanced civilization? The fact is modern people is still not able to build the great pyramid of Giza with such precision and within proposed timeline. And it’s not just the pyramid but there are simple things such as a block of granite, like the unfinished obelisk, weighting 1200 tons. The strongest mobile crane in the world that could operate on sand would still struggle immensely when trying to lift that, moving it few hundred meters would be demanding project. But they say these blocks came from hundreds of miles away, across Nile and over some mountain. We do not have capability to do that today. Not even close. But don’t believe me but do some research on your own.

pwinnski 6y ago
That is not a fact. Every technique required to build the pyramids has been demonstrated using simple technology available at the time. There is no need to make up fantastic stories without evidence.
- miika 6y ago
  There is really good film called “Revelations of the Pyramids” in which engineers are looking at many ancient sites and tell what they found. They interview construction engineers etc. Historians and archeologists have no idea what they’re looking at. Their stories are the incredible fantasies that defy laws of physics and basic engineering. It’s just too much for many people to entertain the idea that our civilization probably isn’t the first advanced one.
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    When you find yourself dismissing large groups of people based on your own superior understanding after watching a ten-year-old documentary, that should often be a warning sign. For example, I by no means think our civilization is the first advanced one, and I also have a loosely-held belief that there used to be more humans on this planet than there are now. But I'm always looking for new information and revisiting those beliefs. Nobody is saying that the pyramids aren't a fantastic work of engineering, they absolutely are! But over-stating the case, as if building them is still far out of our reach, and therefore they can only be the work of aliens or whatever, that's just not supported by current evidence. Much has been learned, even within the last ten years, that make it clear that the pyramids were definitely buildable at the time using available technology, by some very, very clever people.
    - miika 6y ago
      Relax :) My only point was that human being in 2021 may not capable of replicating the great pyramid of Giza. We even don’t have technology to move some of the rocks that has been put in place thousands of years ago. This is not even my opinion but people who build skyscrapers say they couldn’t do it. They have no idea how they did it. I believe them rather than you, sorry. But you’re right that they were very very clever people back in the past. More clever than we are today.
      - miika 6y ago
        One more thing. It’s one thing to pile the rocks and create perfectly symmetrical pyramid. Where it becomes more difficult is when you start considering all the details. Such as those two shafts going through the structure. How they made them SO straight? Did they made them after piling up the rocks? What tool could do that? Did they create the shafts while piling up the rocks? That’s equally impressive! What about the acoustic properties of grand gallery? How you would achieve such perfect resonance having musical octave with twelve semitones in the design? That’s just scratching surface. More we look into the structure more it looks like a device than anything else.
- miika 6y ago
  Also it’s one thing to test some techniques than put it all together. According to official timeline and amount of stones they should place one in every few hours. You realize that you have to be absolutely perfect with the stones, as if you make little mistake near the base then the tip is not going to be in the center. But it’s so precisely in the center it would be a amazing achievement even today. Dimensions and proportions contain speed of light, size of Earth etc. It’s aligned with true north being just fraction of a degree off, something we need satellite data to do. And so on.. And there are those rocks in the desert we could not transport today. But everyone can believe only what they want to believe. I want to believe we are not very advanced yet comparing to our ancestors. It gives me hope.
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    We don't need satellite data to find true north, it's just the easiest way to do it given that we have satellite data. That's a category error. Moving very big rocks doesn't need to involve aliens. Using water and ramps and rollers, we could move them. That a documentarian couldn't figure out how doesn't mean it isn't possible.
    - miika 6y ago
      No, we don’t need satellite data to align with true north. Yes, we need satellite data to get that level of precision. When we’re talking about 1200 ton single block of granite on soft sand, we just don’t move it. Ok. We don’t take it over mountain and over river. There was huge project in California when they transported 340 ton rock. They needed satellite data to find a route that was flat enough as their specially built transporter wasn’t able to take it up hill at all. The reality is: you cannot fit enough slaves under such rock to lift it. How ancients were able to transport these rocks in your opinion?
      - pwinnski 6y ago
        As I said in my previous comment, using water and ramps and rollers[0]. They used satellite data and a specially-built transporter, which is not the same thing as it only being possible to do with satellite data and a specially-built transporter. When you have simple tools at hand, you figure out how to do things with simple tools. When you have a large budget and advanced technology at hand, you figure ou how to do things in a way that consumes the entire budget. You're very, very invested in the idea that aliens or whatever built these things, so clearly nothing will convince you. But we are continually making new discoveries about these things, and so far there really is nothing that requires anything more than very, very clever thinkers and simple machines. Believe what you want to believe, but know that the research isn't on your side. 0. https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-...

by miika 6y ago

pwinnski 6y ago

That is not a fact. Every technique required to build the pyramids has been demonstrated using simple technology available at the time. There is no need to make up fantastic stories without evidence.

miika 6y ago
There is really good film called “Revelations of the Pyramids” in which engineers are looking at many ancient sites and tell what they found. They interview construction engineers etc. Historians and archeologists have no idea what they’re looking at. Their stories are the incredible fantasies that defy laws of physics and basic engineering. It’s just too much for many people to entertain the idea that our civilization probably isn’t the first advanced one.
- pwinnski 6y ago
  When you find yourself dismissing large groups of people based on your own superior understanding after watching a ten-year-old documentary, that should often be a warning sign. For example, I by no means think our civilization is the first advanced one, and I also have a loosely-held belief that there used to be more humans on this planet than there are now. But I'm always looking for new information and revisiting those beliefs. Nobody is saying that the pyramids aren't a fantastic work of engineering, they absolutely are! But over-stating the case, as if building them is still far out of our reach, and therefore they can only be the work of aliens or whatever, that's just not supported by current evidence. Much has been learned, even within the last ten years, that make it clear that the pyramids were definitely buildable at the time using available technology, by some very, very clever people.
  - miika 6y ago
    Relax :) My only point was that human being in 2021 may not capable of replicating the great pyramid of Giza. We even don’t have technology to move some of the rocks that has been put in place thousands of years ago. This is not even my opinion but people who build skyscrapers say they couldn’t do it. They have no idea how they did it. I believe them rather than you, sorry. But you’re right that they were very very clever people back in the past. More clever than we are today.
    - miika 6y ago
      One more thing. It’s one thing to pile the rocks and create perfectly symmetrical pyramid. Where it becomes more difficult is when you start considering all the details. Such as those two shafts going through the structure. How they made them SO straight? Did they made them after piling up the rocks? What tool could do that? Did they create the shafts while piling up the rocks? That’s equally impressive! What about the acoustic properties of grand gallery? How you would achieve such perfect resonance having musical octave with twelve semitones in the design? That’s just scratching surface. More we look into the structure more it looks like a device than anything else.
miika 6y ago
Also it’s one thing to test some techniques than put it all together. According to official timeline and amount of stones they should place one in every few hours. You realize that you have to be absolutely perfect with the stones, as if you make little mistake near the base then the tip is not going to be in the center. But it’s so precisely in the center it would be a amazing achievement even today. Dimensions and proportions contain speed of light, size of Earth etc. It’s aligned with true north being just fraction of a degree off, something we need satellite data to do. And so on.. And there are those rocks in the desert we could not transport today. But everyone can believe only what they want to believe. I want to believe we are not very advanced yet comparing to our ancestors. It gives me hope.
- pwinnski 6y ago
  We don't need satellite data to find true north, it's just the easiest way to do it given that we have satellite data. That's a category error. Moving very big rocks doesn't need to involve aliens. Using water and ramps and rollers, we could move them. That a documentarian couldn't figure out how doesn't mean it isn't possible.
  - miika 6y ago
    No, we don’t need satellite data to align with true north. Yes, we need satellite data to get that level of precision. When we’re talking about 1200 ton single block of granite on soft sand, we just don’t move it. Ok. We don’t take it over mountain and over river. There was huge project in California when they transported 340 ton rock. They needed satellite data to find a route that was flat enough as their specially built transporter wasn’t able to take it up hill at all. The reality is: you cannot fit enough slaves under such rock to lift it. How ancients were able to transport these rocks in your opinion?
    - pwinnski 6y ago
      As I said in my previous comment, using water and ramps and rollers[0]. They used satellite data and a specially-built transporter, which is not the same thing as it only being possible to do with satellite data and a specially-built transporter. When you have simple tools at hand, you figure out how to do things with simple tools. When you have a large budget and advanced technology at hand, you figure ou how to do things in a way that consumes the entire budget. You're very, very invested in the idea that aliens or whatever built these things, so clearly nothing will convince you. But we are continually making new discoveries about these things, and so far there really is nothing that requires anything more than very, very clever thinkers and simple machines. Believe what you want to believe, but know that the research isn't on your side. 0. https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-built https://www.discovery.com/exploration/how-the-pyramids-were-...