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This is sad. I knew several Asian Indians who claimed that they were mixed race to get into college. Because if they didn't, they won't get in while they all ha

This is sad. I knew several Asian Indians who claimed that they were mixed race to get into college. Because if they didn't, they won't get in while they all had 4.0 gpas. They just didn't completely kill their social life, they didn't join multiple clubs or volunteered every weekend. It is disheartening to see young kids in one ethnic group needing to work so much harder while other ethnic groups have lower standards of admission.

mensetmanusman 6y ago
Racism against Asian Americans is real.
- nobodyandproud 6y ago
  Yes. Painfully enough, Democrats are largely unsympathetic or deliberately unaware. Every racial equality discourse and minority suppression is about “black and latino”. Asians are apparently non-existent. Republicans know this very well.
  - nirav72 6y ago
    Republicans aren't doing much to attract Asian-american voters either. Although it's possible that since AAs voters aren't a significant percentage of the electorate to make a difference.
    - nobodyandproud 6y ago
      Yet more than the Democrats. Asian Americans by and large do not fall into the same bucket as the “catch-all” immigrant bucket that Democrats like to pretend exist.
- teachrdan 6y ago
  As an Asian American, I recognize that racism against us is real, and that at the same time, the impact is far, far smaller than it is for people who are Black or Latinx. There is no modern history of Asian Americans getting redlined, whereas Wells Fargo sold subprime mortgages to Black homeowners in Baltimore while internally saying they were selling "garbage loans" to "mud people." Asian Americans are far less likely to be racially profiled by the police, while African Americans are far more likely to be wrongfully convicted of rape, for example. Honestly, there is a bit of a meme on HN where affirmative action always hurts Asian Americans. It's been documented that elite schools use sports to discriminate in favor of wealthy white students. (Think about what demographic goes to schools with top-rated lacrosse or crew or horseback riding teams.) It's time for Asian Americans to be in solidarity with other people of color who suffer more from discrimination. Fortunately, 80% of Asian Americans support affirmative action. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-settlement-wells-fargo-resulting-more-175-million-relief https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-se... https://cls.soceco.uci.edu/news/data-shows-african-americans-are-more-likely-be-wrongfully-convicted https://cls.soceco.uci.edu/news/data-shows-african-americans... https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-27/affirmative-action-yale-harvard-admissions-legacies https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-27/affirmative... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/70-asian-americans-support-affirmative-action-here-s-why-misconceptions-n1247806 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/70-asian-american...
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  - apostacy 6y ago
    Nearly everything said about asian Americans can be said of jewish Americans. Now substitute what you just said about asians for jews. Still ok with it? Jews are disproportionately over-represented in elite universities relative to the population. And on average we experience more well being that white people, along the same metrics you cited. It is ludicrous that you could lump together a child of Vietnamese refugees in with with someone who's parents are doctors who immigrated from The Philippines. It is almost as if we are more a product of our circumstances than our ethnicity. No, hard working asian and jewish kids should be punished for bad things that Wells Fargo did a quarter century ago.
    - teachrdan 6y ago
      Ha, I'm actually half Jewish, and I am completely ok saying these exact same things about Jews. The harms that are inflicted against African Americans in particular are far worse than those against Jews or any Asian demographic I know of. > No, hard working asian and jewish kids should be punished for bad things that Wells Fargo did a quarter century ago. It appears you failed to look at the link I posted. Wells Fargo engaged in that behavior in the run up to the 2008 financial crash--hardly "a quarter century ago." Black folks in this country have faced ongoing discrimination since before the United States existed, and this persists in economic exploitation by business and government alike. I'll assume you're arguing in good faith, so I've added another example of how African Americans are economically exploited, this time by municipal government. This level of discrimination and exploitation simply doesn't happen against Asian Americans. Now do some Asian American demographics face greater challenges? Sure. You named one, Vietnamese Refugees. You could also include Muslim refugees escaping genocide in Myanmar, to provide another example. But what that really illustrates is that "Asian American" is a category stretched almost beyond usefulness due to the wide, wide range of folks who are included, covering a continent with 4.4 BILLION people. https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-ferguson-missouri-court-fines-budget.html https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-ferguson-missouri-cour...

mensetmanusman 6y ago

Racism against Asian Americans is real.

nobodyandproud 6y ago
Yes. Painfully enough, Democrats are largely unsympathetic or deliberately unaware. Every racial equality discourse and minority suppression is about “black and latino”. Asians are apparently non-existent. Republicans know this very well.
- nirav72 6y ago
  Republicans aren't doing much to attract Asian-american voters either. Although it's possible that since AAs voters aren't a significant percentage of the electorate to make a difference.
  - nobodyandproud 6y ago
    Yet more than the Democrats. Asian Americans by and large do not fall into the same bucket as the “catch-all” immigrant bucket that Democrats like to pretend exist.
teachrdan 6y ago
As an Asian American, I recognize that racism against us is real, and that at the same time, the impact is far, far smaller than it is for people who are Black or Latinx. There is no modern history of Asian Americans getting redlined, whereas Wells Fargo sold subprime mortgages to Black homeowners in Baltimore while internally saying they were selling "garbage loans" to "mud people." Asian Americans are far less likely to be racially profiled by the police, while African Americans are far more likely to be wrongfully convicted of rape, for example. Honestly, there is a bit of a meme on HN where affirmative action always hurts Asian Americans. It's been documented that elite schools use sports to discriminate in favor of wealthy white students. (Think about what demographic goes to schools with top-rated lacrosse or crew or horseback riding teams.) It's time for Asian Americans to be in solidarity with other people of color who suffer more from discrimination. Fortunately, 80% of Asian Americans support affirmative action. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-settlement-wells-fargo-resulting-more-175-million-relief https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-se... https://cls.soceco.uci.edu/news/data-shows-african-americans-are-more-likely-be-wrongfully-convicted https://cls.soceco.uci.edu/news/data-shows-african-americans... https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-27/affirmative-action-yale-harvard-admissions-legacies https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-08-27/affirmative... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/70-asian-americans-support-affirmative-action-here-s-why-misconceptions-n1247806 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/70-asian-american...
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- apostacy 6y ago
  Nearly everything said about asian Americans can be said of jewish Americans. Now substitute what you just said about asians for jews. Still ok with it? Jews are disproportionately over-represented in elite universities relative to the population. And on average we experience more well being that white people, along the same metrics you cited. It is ludicrous that you could lump together a child of Vietnamese refugees in with with someone who's parents are doctors who immigrated from The Philippines. It is almost as if we are more a product of our circumstances than our ethnicity. No, hard working asian and jewish kids should be punished for bad things that Wells Fargo did a quarter century ago.
  - teachrdan 6y ago
    Ha, I'm actually half Jewish, and I am completely ok saying these exact same things about Jews. The harms that are inflicted against African Americans in particular are far worse than those against Jews or any Asian demographic I know of. > No, hard working asian and jewish kids should be punished for bad things that Wells Fargo did a quarter century ago. It appears you failed to look at the link I posted. Wells Fargo engaged in that behavior in the run up to the 2008 financial crash--hardly "a quarter century ago." Black folks in this country have faced ongoing discrimination since before the United States existed, and this persists in economic exploitation by business and government alike. I'll assume you're arguing in good faith, so I've added another example of how African Americans are economically exploited, this time by municipal government. This level of discrimination and exploitation simply doesn't happen against Asian Americans. Now do some Asian American demographics face greater challenges? Sure. You named one, Vietnamese Refugees. You could also include Muslim refugees escaping genocide in Myanmar, to provide another example. But what that really illustrates is that "Asian American" is a category stretched almost beyond usefulness due to the wide, wide range of folks who are included, covering a continent with 4.4 BILLION people. https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-ferguson-missouri-court-fines-budget.html https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-ferguson-missouri-cour...