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Great call on Themeforest. The added benefit of using a prefab admin skin is that you can actually build your entire concept before you need to think about payi

Great call on Themeforest. The added benefit of using a prefab admin skin is that you can actually build your entire concept before you need to think about paying a designer. Many of the themes have a built-in grid system (if they aren't using 966 outright) so that you can build UI workflows after creating mockups. I have made this mistake in the past but would now never hire designer if I hadn't already built a working prototype of every screen, and for that I use ThemeForest HTML5 skins.

tptacek 15y ago
As multiple designers will attest, I am more than happy to pay for design work (nothing we have up publicly came from Themeforest or 99designs). But unless your concept absolutely depends on graphical experience --- and look how shitty Pitchfork's site was for years and years and years in the trendiest most superficial demographic imaginable --- graphic designers are a terrible thing to block your project on. Rather than wrack my brain and carefully come up with a scoping document laying out all the pages and functionality in my next application --- a document that will be out of date exactly one customer meeting after I write it --- I'm just going to point my next designer at a $12 Themeforest theme and say "do this, but way better". I don't mind that it costs $5-10,000 to get "better than Themeforest", but I do mind losing weeks of release time sweating whether it's time to pull the trigger on a designer and what exactly to have them do. 99designs is a different story. I don't have the designer's moral problem with spec!work but the misgivings people have about quality and IP infringements are based on real issues. I still think it's a good tool, but I can see why some would avoid it. Avoiding Themeforest though seems crazy.
- JoachimSchipper 15y ago
  The designers' aversion to spec work seems more like an attempt at collective bargaining than a true moral stance to me. I'm not saying that collective bargaining is necessarily a bad thing, but the success of 99designs and the like makes me think that they won't succeed in this age of globalization.

tptacek 15y ago

As multiple designers will attest, I am more than happy to pay for design work (nothing we have up publicly came from Themeforest or 99designs). But unless your concept absolutely depends on graphical experience --- and look how shitty Pitchfork's site was for years and years and years in the trendiest most superficial demographic imaginable --- graphic designers are a terrible thing to block your project on. Rather than wrack my brain and carefully come up with a scoping document laying out all the pages and functionality in my next application --- a document that will be out of date exactly one customer meeting after I write it --- I'm just going to point my next designer at a $12 Themeforest theme and say "do this, but way better". I don't mind that it costs $5-10,000 to get "better than Themeforest", but I do mind losing weeks of release time sweating whether it's time to pull the trigger on a designer and what exactly to have them do. 99designs is a different story. I don't have the designer's moral problem with spec!work but the misgivings people have about quality and IP infringements are based on real issues. I still think it's a good tool, but I can see why some would avoid it. Avoiding Themeforest though seems crazy.

JoachimSchipper 15y ago
The designers' aversion to spec work seems more like an attempt at collective bargaining than a true moral stance to me. I'm not saying that collective bargaining is necessarily a bad thing, but the success of 99designs and the like makes me think that they won't succeed in this age of globalization.