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> but what you posted was unsubstantive flamebait Pointing out that the morals of Google diverging from their founding motto is absolutely substantive. As for

> but what you posted was unsubstantive flamebait Pointing out that the morals of Google diverging from their founding motto is absolutely substantive. As for flamebait, to someone whom has an axe to grind, everything is flamebait. Which is something I have zero control over. > rather to err on the side of posting thoughtfully and substantively. I did. As for beauty, it's in the eyes of the beholder. Which why I'm standing my ground on what I said. I didn't entice someone. I didn't get into ad hominem. I simply only responded once that I'm pointing out something that is clear to me (hypocrisy of Google's morals). I already stated how Google diverged from it's original motto. One commenter felt it was unoriginal. Well, I don't live on this website. Also, where are these unproductive expectations coming from? Pointing out that someone is 'unoriginal' isn't engaging anyone to discuss something. Since speaking plainly isn't getting through. Let me reason by comparison. If I'm a 5th grader and the commenter is a professional 12th grader. How is the 5th grader wrong for posting it's opinion? That is clearly substantive and thoughtful, I literally quoted Google's code of ethics page to make my case. The 12th grader should've known better. If something has been said 100s of times on HN, guess what happens? Typically, it educates the new readers whom haven't seen that information before. Or it gets downvoted into oblivion. Nothing wrong with that and it's self policing. I believe this type of response, to me, was misplaced and unnecessary.

pvg 6y ago
If you feel the comment was substantive, thoughtful and conducive to interesting discussion, why did you delete it?
- heimatau 6y ago
  > why did you delete it? I'll rephrase your question. What is the reason for the deletion of your comment? Simple. People were flaming. It was getting downvoted and flagged. If the community sends a clear statement (by acting in concert with one another), then I'd prefer not to get downvoted into oblivion. To me, it's not a hill I want to die on. And it was clear that others were misunderstanding. All I can do is communicate my perspective. If someone comes to the conversation with misguided expectations (even if it's a swarm of people), then I'll bow out. It's simple non-violent communication.
  - pvg 6y ago
    That's not what I asked, but maybe I can try to rephrase it. It seems odd to be going to such verbose lengths to defend something you wrote but apparently don't want other people to see.
    - heimatau 6y ago
      > That's not what I asked, but maybe I can try to rephrase it. It seems odd to be going to such verbose lengths to defend something you wrote but apparently don't want other people to see. I appreciate the attempt at clarity but I don't see a question here.
      - pvg 6y ago
        I think by this point, with your help, I've arrived at the conclusion you were simply embarrassed by what you wrote, thanks.
        heimatau 6y ago
        > I think by this point, with your help, I've arrived at the conclusion you were simply embarrassed by what you wrote, thanks. How so? I wasn't embarrassed. I was shocked at the immature reactions.
        pvg 6y ago
        Since you ask, but let's end here: To me, it's the simplest theory that explains the available facts. First you wrote a short one-liner comment that said (roughly summarizing from memory) "google's motto used to be don't be evil, lol". Users flagkilled it almost instantly and you, embarrassed, deleted it. Then a moderator scolded you, which is even more unpleasant and embarrassing and you started writing lengthy defenses pretending the embarrassing thing you deleted was some Voltairean epigram, talking about how you 'stand by' a thing you yourself deleted. When this inconsistency was pointed out to you, you pretended not to understand the issue and went on to blame other users because, I assume, the whole thing becomes even more embarrassing if we recall that it's, in fact, about a comment that said (roughly summarizing from memory) "google's motto used to be don't be evil, lol".

pvg 6y ago

If you feel the comment was substantive, thoughtful and conducive to interesting discussion, why did you delete it?

heimatau 6y ago
> why did you delete it? I'll rephrase your question. What is the reason for the deletion of your comment? Simple. People were flaming. It was getting downvoted and flagged. If the community sends a clear statement (by acting in concert with one another), then I'd prefer not to get downvoted into oblivion. To me, it's not a hill I want to die on. And it was clear that others were misunderstanding. All I can do is communicate my perspective. If someone comes to the conversation with misguided expectations (even if it's a swarm of people), then I'll bow out. It's simple non-violent communication.
- pvg 6y ago
  That's not what I asked, but maybe I can try to rephrase it. It seems odd to be going to such verbose lengths to defend something you wrote but apparently don't want other people to see.
  - heimatau 6y ago
    > That's not what I asked, but maybe I can try to rephrase it. It seems odd to be going to such verbose lengths to defend something you wrote but apparently don't want other people to see. I appreciate the attempt at clarity but I don't see a question here.
    - pvg 6y ago
      I think by this point, with your help, I've arrived at the conclusion you were simply embarrassed by what you wrote, thanks.
      - heimatau 6y ago
        > I think by this point, with your help, I've arrived at the conclusion you were simply embarrassed by what you wrote, thanks. How so? I wasn't embarrassed. I was shocked at the immature reactions.
        pvg 6y ago
        Since you ask, but let's end here: To me, it's the simplest theory that explains the available facts. First you wrote a short one-liner comment that said (roughly summarizing from memory) "google's motto used to be don't be evil, lol". Users flagkilled it almost instantly and you, embarrassed, deleted it. Then a moderator scolded you, which is even more unpleasant and embarrassing and you started writing lengthy defenses pretending the embarrassing thing you deleted was some Voltairean epigram, talking about how you 'stand by' a thing you yourself deleted. When this inconsistency was pointed out to you, you pretended not to understand the issue and went on to blame other users because, I assume, the whole thing becomes even more embarrassing if we recall that it's, in fact, about a comment that said (roughly summarizing from memory) "google's motto used to be don't be evil, lol".