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I was thinking about antennas as layers that consist of feedback loops that employ interaction outside of any reasonably small bounds (the more abstract layers

I was thinking about antennas as layers that consist of feedback loops that employ interaction outside of any reasonably small bounds (the more abstract layers onwards are therefore also affected, but the error might seem to be negligible). The question is, if the error we make by simulating brain on a higher level (physical) API can destroy the intrinsic properties of intelligent beings.

manofmanysmiles 6y ago
I think you need to re-word this in simpler more concrete language. My mapping of words to concepts is not resulting in a coherent idea of what you’re thinking. > layers that consist of feedback loops that employ interactions outside any reasonably small bound I’m interpreting this as: Maybe there are interactions between part s of the brain that occur using a method we are not currently measuring (for example, maybe quantum probabilities interact in another dimension), so what seems to be a random process is in fact influenced by something outside of the “physical” world. I personally “believe”, that consciousness operates outside of the physical world (or in a dimension we don’t directly observe), and interacts wit the physical world through the quantum boundary, influencing probabilities and observing the states of atoms. By paying attention to certain atoms, it is able to create an API that allows it to interact with the physical world through our common modes of cognition, mediated through the nervous system. I’d say the nervous system itself is the physical manifestations of the API, and the brain contents is another part of the API, and the user of the API is consciousness, observing through the quantum doorway. So to bring this back to what you were saying, I think the brain in a way is an antenna in that it mediates interaction between consciousness and the physical world. What the physical world is, is a whole different kettle of fish. If you want to discuss much further, I can setup a throwaway/anonymous email. I love this stuff!
- samuel2 6y ago
  I think the source of randomness is the imperfect reproduction of feedback loops (at each layer), so basically I think randomness is just interaction of great complexity we cannot comprehend - it is a direct opposite of consistency. In my view there is just one "physical" world - the reality and all interactions happen inside this one frame. Consciousness is one of the layers, it uses a consistent but highly expressive API, that makes it possible to reach the level of predictive power we enjoy. Society might be considered a higher level, building on APIs of consciousness humans. If we were to use "trivial" self-made APIs, could we create a software that would match our level of predictive power? (see also the other comment I wrote)

manofmanysmiles 6y ago

I think you need to re-word this in simpler more concrete language. My mapping of words to concepts is not resulting in a coherent idea of what you’re thinking. > layers that consist of feedback loops that employ interactions outside any reasonably small bound I’m interpreting this as: Maybe there are interactions between part s of the brain that occur using a method we are not currently measuring (for example, maybe quantum probabilities interact in another dimension), so what seems to be a random process is in fact influenced by something outside of the “physical” world. I personally “believe”, that consciousness operates outside of the physical world (or in a dimension we don’t directly observe), and interacts wit the physical world through the quantum boundary, influencing probabilities and observing the states of atoms. By paying attention to certain atoms, it is able to create an API that allows it to interact with the physical world through our common modes of cognition, mediated through the nervous system. I’d say the nervous system itself is the physical manifestations of the API, and the brain contents is another part of the API, and the user of the API is consciousness, observing through the quantum doorway. So to bring this back to what you were saying, I think the brain in a way is an antenna in that it mediates interaction between consciousness and the physical world. What the physical world is, is a whole different kettle of fish. If you want to discuss much further, I can setup a throwaway/anonymous email. I love this stuff!

samuel2 6y ago
I think the source of randomness is the imperfect reproduction of feedback loops (at each layer), so basically I think randomness is just interaction of great complexity we cannot comprehend - it is a direct opposite of consistency. In my view there is just one "physical" world - the reality and all interactions happen inside this one frame. Consciousness is one of the layers, it uses a consistent but highly expressive API, that makes it possible to reach the level of predictive power we enjoy. Society might be considered a higher level, building on APIs of consciousness humans. If we were to use "trivial" self-made APIs, could we create a software that would match our level of predictive power? (see also the other comment I wrote)