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Fwiw, there have been instances of Google straight up not being able to restore deleted content. When you go to delete videos, you do get warnings that deletion
by motbob 6y ago
Fwiw, there have been instances of Google straight up not being able to restore deleted content. When you go to delete videos, you do get warnings that deletion cannot be undone. I wouldn't be surprised if Google didn't have great records of deleted content.
Maybe Google deleted this tiny channel, or maybe it was user error by Project Censored (the apparent organizers of the conference), or maybe it was a publicity stunt by Project Censored. All three possibilities seem about equally likely.
- ikerdanzel 6y agoGoogle censorship is more equal than other possibilities. They themselves have committed a lot lately compare to say owner did it. Purely based on perception, without any proof, I say your last statement is unlikely.
- jfrunyon 6y ago"More equal"? The idea that YouTube deleted some random videos that no one has ever heard of and then lied about it, is "more equal" than the idea that an organization whose stated position is basically "Google bad because censor" wants to make Google seem bad?
- devlopr 6y agoThis was an academic channel conference that many people viewed. Perhaps not a popular channel for you but still worthy of existing.
- grandmczeb 6y agoI don’t think they’re questioning whether it’s worthy of existing, but rather why Google would choose to target this video specifically given that it has ~0 reach and the potential PR consequences of lying.
- judge2020 6y agoSure, but in a sea of billions of views a day[0] YT isn't targeting specific channels - at this scale, there's going to be at least one moderation mistakes for every million views (and that's being generous). 0: https://blog.youtube/press/ https://blog.youtube/press/
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago> Fwiw, there have been instances of Google straight up not being able to restore deleted content. When you go to delete videos, you do get warnings that deletion cannot be undone As there’s (former, no-NDA) YouTube SWEs/SREs here - can anyone shed light onto how YouTube’s storage system works? What amount of storage redundancy and retention is available for the vast majority of videos that only get a few views ever?
- Triv888 6y ago> I wouldn't be surprised if Google didn't have great records of deleted content. It would surprise me if Google didn't keep everything. Harvesting data is part of their business model.
- CydeWeys 6y agoThen consider yourself surprised. Deleted data is actually deleted. Keeping it around is a huge liability.
- bordercases 6y agoGood SRE practices suggest keeping data of certain sorts around for awhile before the deletion is fully completed.
- Yoric 6y agoI don't know how things work these days, but a few years ago, Google's GFS didn't support deletion. The "delete" flag only meant "don't replicate this data" and it was just simpler for them to keep it around until the disk died. Source: This was published by Google in their research papers on GFS. Sorry, can't remember which paper.
- joshuamorton 6y agoWithout reading the paper, I'm about 99% positive it also would mark the data as unused, which would allow the disk space to be reclaimed and overridden. Disks aren't write once. It also likely would reindex it, meaning that you can't find it if you go looking for it unless you happen to know which disk it's in already and it hasn't been overwritten yet.
- catmanjan 6y agoSo basically recycle bin rather than shredder
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