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My mental image is that people want to spin off AWS for society’s benefits because Amazon grew too big and abuses the integration. Amazon squarely resisting thi

by hrktb 6y ago

My mental image is that people want to spin off AWS for society’s benefits because Amazon grew too big and abuses the integration. Amazon squarely resisting this idea seems uncontroversal.

airstrike 6y ago
People argue companies like Walmart don't want to pay their rival Amazon for cloud hosting, but the truth is if AWS is the best cloud provider, it makes business sense to go with them
- echelon 6y ago
  They can pay Microsoft.
  - hrktb 6y ago
    They do, as far as I know Microsoft has a pretty good hold on retail. Some go with GCP but Google is less “enterprisy” for their taste in a lot of ways.
- deleted 6y ago
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- Alupis 6y ago
  At the scale Walmart operates - 25th largest GDP in the world if considered as a nation[1], supporting over 2.2 Million employees[2], in over 27 countries[3] - it's simply more cost effective to do your tech in-house. Amazon is huge... but Walmart is truly massive... over double Amazon's size in just about every metric. They clearly have the resources to handle things on their own. [1] https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=034072126078025082000101009018110011042074022060000048106031112022115073078031068005055121001048121008111067082118030001026082122036021019014122114025103092002019003105087117003006102025105121013117126120031096095099079007084023115082014083069&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=0340721260780250... [2] https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/company-facts#:~:text=Opportunity-,Walmart%20employs%20more%20than%202.2%20million%20associates%20around%20the%20world,higher%20pay%20in%20Walmart%20U.S https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/company-facts#:~:text.... [3] https://corporate.walmart.com/askwalmart/in-which-countries-does-walmart-operate#:~:text=Today%2C%20Walmart%20operates%20more%20than,eCommerce%20websites%20in%2010%20countries https://corporate.walmart.com/askwalmart/in-which-countries-....
  - ac29 6y ago
    See, for example, Walmart Labs: https://careers.walmart.com/technology/technology-software-development/walmart-labs https://careers.walmart.com/technology/technology-software-d... (6000 employees in 2018, per wikipedia)
  - airstrike 6y ago
    It's a matter of corporate strategy... Amazon is like a combination of different entities, one of which is AWS, and AWS arguably does cloud better than anyone else Walmart doesn't have the same capabilities. Being larger doesn't mean they can do it.
  - dreamer7 6y ago
    Yet, Walmart seems to rely on GCP and Azure for atleast some of their cloud requirements
- allanmacgregor 6y ago
  Been part of some of those conversations, some companies are wary of hosting with Amazon not due to paying their competitor but due to the amount of power they are putting on a direct competitor hands.
- hrktb 6y ago
  Was in the industry for a stint, and the issue was not only about money going to Amazon. There was a serious fear for their usage data to be used as a window into their business (if not fear of more illegal and unethical access to their data) The case of Amazon using internal market place data to guide their own product strategy has already been made over and over, so the precedent exists.
  - iamacyborg 6y ago
    It does for marketplace but no aws as far as I know. Still makes sense that folks would be skeptical though.

by hrktb 6y ago

My mental image is that people want to spin off AWS for society’s benefits because Amazon grew too big and abuses the integration. Amazon squarely resisting this idea seems uncontroversal.

airstrike 6y ago

People argue companies like Walmart don't want to pay their rival Amazon for cloud hosting, but the truth is if AWS is the best cloud provider, it makes business sense to go with them

echelon 6y ago
They can pay Microsoft.
- hrktb 6y ago
  They do, as far as I know Microsoft has a pretty good hold on retail. Some go with GCP but Google is less “enterprisy” for their taste in a lot of ways.
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Alupis 6y ago
At the scale Walmart operates - 25th largest GDP in the world if considered as a nation[1], supporting over 2.2 Million employees[2], in over 27 countries[3] - it's simply more cost effective to do your tech in-house. Amazon is huge... but Walmart is truly massive... over double Amazon's size in just about every metric. They clearly have the resources to handle things on their own. [1] https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=034072126078025082000101009018110011042074022060000048106031112022115073078031068005055121001048121008111067082118030001026082122036021019014122114025103092002019003105087117003006102025105121013117126120031096095099079007084023115082014083069&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=0340721260780250... [2] https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/company-facts#:~:text=Opportunity-,Walmart%20employs%20more%20than%202.2%20million%20associates%20around%20the%20world,higher%20pay%20in%20Walmart%20U.S https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/company-facts#:~:text.... [3] https://corporate.walmart.com/askwalmart/in-which-countries-does-walmart-operate#:~:text=Today%2C%20Walmart%20operates%20more%20than,eCommerce%20websites%20in%2010%20countries https://corporate.walmart.com/askwalmart/in-which-countries-....
- ac29 6y ago
  See, for example, Walmart Labs: https://careers.walmart.com/technology/technology-software-development/walmart-labs https://careers.walmart.com/technology/technology-software-d... (6000 employees in 2018, per wikipedia)
- airstrike 6y ago
  It's a matter of corporate strategy... Amazon is like a combination of different entities, one of which is AWS, and AWS arguably does cloud better than anyone else Walmart doesn't have the same capabilities. Being larger doesn't mean they can do it.
- dreamer7 6y ago
  Yet, Walmart seems to rely on GCP and Azure for atleast some of their cloud requirements
allanmacgregor 6y ago
Been part of some of those conversations, some companies are wary of hosting with Amazon not due to paying their competitor but due to the amount of power they are putting on a direct competitor hands.
hrktb 6y ago
Was in the industry for a stint, and the issue was not only about money going to Amazon. There was a serious fear for their usage data to be used as a window into their business (if not fear of more illegal and unethical access to their data) The case of Amazon using internal market place data to guide their own product strategy has already been made over and over, so the precedent exists.
- iamacyborg 6y ago
  It does for marketplace but no aws as far as I know. Still makes sense that folks would be skeptical though.