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Challenger? What's your point? That Russia didn't beat the US into space? I thought the west at least accepted that fact. Or do you just have to believe the US
by Layke1123 6y ago
Challenger? What's your point? That Russia didn't beat the US into space? I thought the west at least accepted that fact. Or do you just have to believe the US is ALWAYS "superior"?
- Layke1123 6y agoDownvoting again? Rather than articulate a response?
- avmich 6y agoI was confused by "Russia didn't beat US into space" - you probably meant "to the Moon" (manned flights), while USSR had quite a few space firsts.
- Layke1123 6y agoNo, I meant that the above response calling the other user wrong is wrong itself. The USSR, had it not had to fight a cold war against the US, could very well have been a much better system not just for space flight, but for a way to structure and run society in general. But yet, if I say this, I will be immediately downvoted because if I suggest that anything other than the established order in the US is the best system, the powers that be as well as the indoctrinated individuals that frequent this place would rather just shut that conversation up than to engage it meaningfully.
- alentist 6y ago> The USSR, had it not had to fight a cold war against the US, could very well have been a much better system not just for space flight, but for a way to structure and run society in general. What makes you think that? If they had such a wonderful "way to structure and run society in general", why did the USSR and its satellite states have to systematically mass murder people who wanted to leave this wonderful society? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_Eastern_Bloc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_Eastern_Bl... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schie%C3%9Fbefehl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schie%C3%9Fbefehl [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_graves_from_Soviet_mass_executions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_graves_from_Soviet_mass_e... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
- Layke1123 6y agoWell, why did the US actively try to harm the USSR? If it was such a bad way of doing things, why did the US actively go out of it's way to sabotage it rather than just ignore it and let it die?
- Cogito 6y agoThis is moving the goalposts. It's possible that the USSR would have been a better system, had the cold war not happened, but that's not the world we live in. If you want to make that argument you have to explain why it's reasonable to excuse how the USSR turned out in reality, and why in your hypothetical world it would have turned out differently. With respect to space advancement, I suspect the main reason for sustained differences in accomplishments come down primarly to the amount of resources each were able to devote to space. The US was able to sustain a high level of investment for a long time, and the USSR was not.
- Layke1123 6y agoIt's not moving to goalposts to acknowledge that the USSR beat us to space and that a large part of their collapse was due directly to the influence of the US.
- alentist 6y agoOn the contrary: It was Western technology and capital that propped up the USSR despite its repeated failures and inefficiencies. https://capx.co/soviet-communism-was-dependent-on-western-technology/ https://capx.co/soviet-communism-was-dependent-on-western-te...
- Layke1123 6y agoLol, who beat Nazi Germany? Western technology or Soviet tech?
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