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Strangely, this news went under the radar: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 23 deaths in Norway, possibly from

Strangely, this news went under the radar: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 23 deaths in Norway, possibly from vaccine.

Veen 6y ago
First, it was 33 people out of around 50,000 elderly and vulnerable people who were vaccinated. Your source is outdated. Second, it went under the radar because it's probably not attributable to the vaccine. The people who died were over 80 and already extremely frail with pre-existing conditions. They either died from those conditions or from their inability to cope with the mild side-effects of the vaccine, which everyone already knows about. Death rates in Norway are well within the historical range, so it's fairly likely that there were no excess deaths caused by the vaccine at all. Their dying after having the vaccine does not mean they died because of the vaccine.
- jmorse2 6y ago
  To reinforce this, one of the statistics that the beeb have wheeled out is that in the most vulnerable group being vaccinated (in the UK), aged 80+, one in ten of them will die regardless of covid in the next year. Quoted from "How to vaccinate the world -- Vaccine Hesitancy" [0] from 12 minutes in to 15 minutes. (And because it's BBC sounds, for some reason it randomly skips episodes when I load the page). The entire series is well worth a listen, data driven and statistics heavy. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qblw https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qblw Edit - because the beeb want registration, alternate link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/vaccine-hesitancy/id1540300666?i=1000502330987 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/vaccine-hesitancy/id15...
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    > the beeb Never heard this term. From context I'm assuming it's slang for the BBC?
    - tomalpha 6y ago
      Yep, and even more oddly: > It is also known colloquially as "The Beeb", "Auntie", or a combination of both (as "Auntie Beeb") [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC
Jolter 6y ago
Well, to begin with it’s off topic for this thread. But anyway, “frail elderly patients” have a tendency to have a short life expectancy whether there is a pandemic on or not. The thing they will have to sort out is whether those 23 are coincidental or not. Ie what number would we have expected to die, had we not vaccinated them. This is pretty elementary statistics and I expect that they’ll sort it out shortly.

Strangely, this news went under the radar: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 23 deaths in Norway, possibly from vaccine.

Veen 6y ago

First, it was 33 people out of around 50,000 elderly and vulnerable people who were vaccinated. Your source is outdated. Second, it went under the radar because it's probably not attributable to the vaccine. The people who died were over 80 and already extremely frail with pre-existing conditions. They either died from those conditions or from their inability to cope with the mild side-effects of the vaccine, which everyone already knows about. Death rates in Norway are well within the historical range, so it's fairly likely that there were no excess deaths caused by the vaccine at all. Their dying after having the vaccine does not mean they died because of the vaccine.

jmorse2 6y ago
To reinforce this, one of the statistics that the beeb have wheeled out is that in the most vulnerable group being vaccinated (in the UK), aged 80+, one in ten of them will die regardless of covid in the next year. Quoted from "How to vaccinate the world -- Vaccine Hesitancy" [0] from 12 minutes in to 15 minutes. (And because it's BBC sounds, for some reason it randomly skips episodes when I load the page). The entire series is well worth a listen, data driven and statistics heavy. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qblw https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qblw Edit - because the beeb want registration, alternate link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/vaccine-hesitancy/id1540300666?i=1000502330987 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/vaccine-hesitancy/id15...
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  > the beeb Never heard this term. From context I'm assuming it's slang for the BBC?
  - tomalpha 6y ago
    Yep, and even more oddly: > It is also known colloquially as "The Beeb", "Auntie", or a combination of both (as "Auntie Beeb") [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC

Jolter 6y ago

Well, to begin with it’s off topic for this thread. But anyway, “frail elderly patients” have a tendency to have a short life expectancy whether there is a pandemic on or not. The thing they will have to sort out is whether those 23 are coincidental or not. Ie what number would we have expected to die, had we not vaccinated them. This is pretty elementary statistics and I expect that they’ll sort it out shortly.