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Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Flo

by dash2 6y ago

Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.

bryanrasmussen 6y ago
There are manhole covers in Copenhagen that make reference to H.C. Andersen but he didn't actually have anything to do with them, it was more in the form of a thing to make tourists feel they were somewhere cool. I might accept some continuity from now back to the time of Garibaldi for Italy as a whole (but then we have to write some notable periods off as aberrations) - As for Florence I would accept going back to Napoleonic times but from there the continuity of government was surely broken.
labster 6y ago
I was disappointed to learn the title of pontifex maximus wasn’t continuous from the Roman era. I mean, if we need an intercalary month, I can’t think of anyone better than Pope Francis to decide that.
- Grustaf 6y ago
  The church is continuous from the Roman era though. Both in the East and the West.
- mongol 6y ago
  What is an intercalary month and why might we need one?
  - saalweachter 6y ago
    It was a leap month, for the same function as leap days and seconds.
Bayart 6y ago
>Italy has a lot of historical continuity. It doesn't. Italy was one of the most ravaged parts of the Western Roman Empire, it has less historical continuity than Spain or France. Only Britain does worse. >If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). That's propaganda. The link between the Roman state and Italy was something pushed by the fascists and it stayed behind in the popular mindset (since it's a more pleasant to think of yourself as the True Descendants of the Romans than a playground for the French, Germans, Arabs and Greeks). But go a few centuries back and people made as much a connection between Roman ruins and Italians as they do now between the Pyramids and modern Egyptians. Realistically continuity goes back to the Renaissance, which saw the birth of an indigenous Italian culture as well as its mass export (favoured by the fact that albeit constantly invaded, Italy wasn't torn apart by the religious wars that destroyed the rest of the continent).
- knolax 6y ago
  Seems like a bit an exaggeration. The Coptic Language is a dying/dead minority language in modern Egypt while modern Italian is pretty much just Vulgar Latin. For example here's Egyptian written in hieratic (cursive hieroglyphs written on paper)[0] compared to modern Egyptian Arabic[1]. Now compare pompeii inscriptions [2] to modern Italian graffiti[3]. [0] https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_page_from_the_Ebers_Papyrus,_written_circa_1500_B.C._Wellcome_M0008455.jpg#mw-jump-to-license https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_page_from_the_Eb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic#Sample_text https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic#Sample_text [2] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54149/54149-h/images/illo065.png https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54149/54149-h/images/illo065... [3] https://c7.alamy.com/comp/H7ER3R/italian-graffiti-ill-love-you-for-ever-H7ER3R.jpg https://c7.alamy.com/comp/H7ER3R/italian-graffiti-ill-love-y...
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  > Italy was one of the most ravaged parts of the Western Roman Empire, it has less historical continuity than Spain or France. Only Britain does worse. Well, Erdogan would probably be okay with pardoning Dante.
  - 6y ago
thaumasiotes 6y ago
> Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). That is... not an example of historical continuity. That's like calling the architecture of the US Supreme Court building "historical continuity" from classical Greece.

by dash2 6y ago

bryanrasmussen 6y ago

There are manhole covers in Copenhagen that make reference to H.C. Andersen but he didn't actually have anything to do with them, it was more in the form of a thing to make tourists feel they were somewhere cool. I might accept some continuity from now back to the time of Garibaldi for Italy as a whole (but then we have to write some notable periods off as aberrations) - As for Florence I would accept going back to Napoleonic times but from there the continuity of government was surely broken.

labster 6y ago

I was disappointed to learn the title of pontifex maximus wasn’t continuous from the Roman era. I mean, if we need an intercalary month, I can’t think of anyone better than Pope Francis to decide that.

Grustaf 6y ago
The church is continuous from the Roman era though. Both in the East and the West.
mongol 6y ago
What is an intercalary month and why might we need one?
- saalweachter 6y ago
  It was a leap month, for the same function as leap days and seconds.

Bayart 6y ago

>Italy has a lot of historical continuity. It doesn't. Italy was one of the most ravaged parts of the Western Roman Empire, it has less historical continuity than Spain or France. Only Britain does worse. >If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). That's propaganda. The link between the Roman state and Italy was something pushed by the fascists and it stayed behind in the popular mindset (since it's a more pleasant to think of yourself as the True Descendants of the Romans than a playground for the French, Germans, Arabs and Greeks). But go a few centuries back and people made as much a connection between Roman ruins and Italians as they do now between the Pyramids and modern Egyptians. Realistically continuity goes back to the Renaissance, which saw the birth of an indigenous Italian culture as well as its mass export (favoured by the fact that albeit constantly invaded, Italy wasn't torn apart by the religious wars that destroyed the rest of the continent).

knolax 6y ago
Seems like a bit an exaggeration. The Coptic Language is a dying/dead minority language in modern Egypt while modern Italian is pretty much just Vulgar Latin. For example here's Egyptian written in hieratic (cursive hieroglyphs written on paper)[0] compared to modern Egyptian Arabic[1]. Now compare pompeii inscriptions [2] to modern Italian graffiti[3]. [0] https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_page_from_the_Ebers_Papyrus,_written_circa_1500_B.C._Wellcome_M0008455.jpg#mw-jump-to-license https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_page_from_the_Eb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic#Sample_text https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic#Sample_text [2] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54149/54149-h/images/illo065.png https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54149/54149-h/images/illo065... [3] https://c7.alamy.com/comp/H7ER3R/italian-graffiti-ill-love-you-for-ever-H7ER3R.jpg https://c7.alamy.com/comp/H7ER3R/italian-graffiti-ill-love-y...
Apocryphon 6y ago
> Italy was one of the most ravaged parts of the Western Roman Empire, it has less historical continuity than Spain or France. Only Britain does worse. Well, Erdogan would probably be okay with pardoning Dante.
- 6y ago

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). That is... not an example of historical continuity. That's like calling the architecture of the US Supreme Court building "historical continuity" from classical Greece.