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Hi there, thanks for your answer! > Disclaimer: I use both at work and prefer clojure. Could you please elaborate? Just want to know how you use both at work!

Hi there, thanks for your answer! > Disclaimer: I use both at work and prefer clojure. Could you please elaborate? Just want to know how you use both at work! (i just can't really think of a 2021 scenario for CL, legacy code aside) > I'm not sure what you mean. Nothing at all, it was a typo. Swap SLIME with 'cl-lib, what i wanted to say what i wanted to say is that common lisp seems to have a certain level of compatibility in Emacs itself through this package, whether it is also feasible with Clojure, i ignore it > I don't get the JVM hate. Sure, every platform has its issues, but the JVM is a highly tuned virtual machine that has decades of development behind it. It is cross platform. It is used for high performance projects as well. It has libraries for everything. No no! It wasn't hate, i just stumble upon this article [1] and thought that the level of interactivity between CL and Clojure was clearly in favor of the former. Sorry if I'm talking rubbish,I discovered the LISP ecosystem less than a week ago, CL and Clojure were just names before, all these dialects with all those implementations are confusing, because i don't have a clear overview! Thank you again :) [1] https://gist.github.com/vindarel/3484a4bcc944a5be143e74bfae1025e4 https://gist.github.com/vindarel/3484a4bcc944a5be143e74bfae1...

kazinator 6y ago
> i just can't really think of a 2021 scenario for CL, legacy code aside I've been reading similar statements every years since I started programming in Lisp in around 2000, and could easily find more of the same going back in Usenet archives and whatnot before that. "Against the tide of Common Lisp" (Usenet, 1986): https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid=PDEzMTFAd2VsbC5VVUNQPg https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid... "Considered Opinion: LISP is Terrible" (Usenet, 1983): https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid=PDQ3M0B3YXRlbmcuVVVDUD4%3D https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid... Excerpt: "I have been attempting to evaluate LISP as a programming language for VLSI design, and after having read MANY LISP programs, I have come to the same set of conclusions about LISP as a programming environment. To make LISP usable, each particular interest group defines/modifies/extends LISP for its own purposes. The result is a set of islands of users, each with their own "flavour" of language, which they claim is the "one, true, and holy LISP. I like the LISP data structuring; As a programming language I rank it in the same class as APL: useful, highly unmaintainble, very hard to document, and VERY unportable."
- TornadoFlame 6y ago
  Thank you, now it's worse than before! No really, i get your points (through you other answers too). I decided to just dive into CL, if you have some valuable resource, i would like to know!

kazinator 6y ago

> i just can't really think of a 2021 scenario for CL, legacy code aside I've been reading similar statements every years since I started programming in Lisp in around 2000, and could easily find more of the same going back in Usenet archives and whatnot before that. "Against the tide of Common Lisp" (Usenet, 1986): https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid=PDEzMTFAd2VsbC5VVUNQPg https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid... "Considered Opinion: LISP is Terrible" (Usenet, 1983): https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid=PDQ3M0B3YXRlbmcuVVVDUD4%3D https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=net.lang.lisp&mid... Excerpt: "I have been attempting to evaluate LISP as a programming language for VLSI design, and after having read MANY LISP programs, I have come to the same set of conclusions about LISP as a programming environment. To make LISP usable, each particular interest group defines/modifies/extends LISP for its own purposes. The result is a set of islands of users, each with their own "flavour" of language, which they claim is the "one, true, and holy LISP. I like the LISP data structuring; As a programming language I rank it in the same class as APL: useful, highly unmaintainble, very hard to document, and VERY unportable."

TornadoFlame 6y ago
Thank you, now it's worse than before! No really, i get your points (through you other answers too). I decided to just dive into CL, if you have some valuable resource, i would like to know!