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Yes, and it is about to die. Wayland could have been executed better to ease adoption, no doubt. More than anything momentum is required, which we arguable are

by tjoff 6y ago

Yes, and it is about to die. Wayland could have been executed better to ease adoption, no doubt. More than anything momentum is required, which we arguable are beginning to see. The question today isn't X vs. Wayland. It is Wayland vs. Y. Whatever Y is.

michaelmrose 6y ago
The people who would greatly benefit from not needing to maintain it shout from the rooftops that it is dead because they wish it was already so. In fact its probably be mainstream for another 10-15 years and existing for another 25. Look how long it took to sort of but not really kill python 2. Thus the choice today is actually X vs Wayland because those are the 2 choices that can provide a functional desktop at this point in time. As for possible Ys I see SurfaceFlinger from android which doesn't look like its suitable for a desktop Arcan a one man band that doesn't look apt to replace X soon https://arcan-fe.com/videos/ https://arcan-fe.com/videos/ Whatever Redox uses. I don't quite understand from a casual inspection how graphics works there. I would bet money that the choice over the next 10 years will STILL be X vs Wayland with more stuff wedged in until wayland is more functional but as kludgy as X wherein someone will have the brilliant idea to replace it with something more "modern"
- tjoff 6y ago
  And the developers have already left. When using gnome wayland is already the default in most major distributions already or have been announced for the next major version (such as ubuntu 21.04). I don't know about KDE more than that they are making progress. If they within a few years make the same transition then pretty much every single default installation will be on wayland. A few moments after that XWayland will become the leading X-server. X will surely live on for decades to come inside wayland, and that is fine. And X will surely be an option for an eternity in some distros. But it will quickly become quite niche, similar to the way systemd has become the mainstream init system.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Maybe so but being the most popular option made Microsoft some money it never actually made it very good. In all honesty Gnome + Fedora + Wayland is a mediocre work compared to windows. At that point the only reason to use linux is cost and given the cost of a license it really isn't a very good one. I wont feel bad about running a niche distro or even a different OS any more than I feel bad about picking Linux over windows in 2003. There is no accounting for taste and there are probably more people listening to Britney Spears than Beethoven. Its OK if you want to be involved with pop music there is money in it and it still requires the same skills to produce good sound regardless of the artist.

by tjoff 6y ago

michaelmrose 6y ago

The people who would greatly benefit from not needing to maintain it shout from the rooftops that it is dead because they wish it was already so. In fact its probably be mainstream for another 10-15 years and existing for another 25. Look how long it took to sort of but not really kill python 2. Thus the choice today is actually X vs Wayland because those are the 2 choices that can provide a functional desktop at this point in time. As for possible Ys I see SurfaceFlinger from android which doesn't look like its suitable for a desktop Arcan a one man band that doesn't look apt to replace X soon https://arcan-fe.com/videos/ https://arcan-fe.com/videos/ Whatever Redox uses. I don't quite understand from a casual inspection how graphics works there. I would bet money that the choice over the next 10 years will STILL be X vs Wayland with more stuff wedged in until wayland is more functional but as kludgy as X wherein someone will have the brilliant idea to replace it with something more "modern"

tjoff 6y ago
And the developers have already left. When using gnome wayland is already the default in most major distributions already or have been announced for the next major version (such as ubuntu 21.04). I don't know about KDE more than that they are making progress. If they within a few years make the same transition then pretty much every single default installation will be on wayland. A few moments after that XWayland will become the leading X-server. X will surely live on for decades to come inside wayland, and that is fine. And X will surely be an option for an eternity in some distros. But it will quickly become quite niche, similar to the way systemd has become the mainstream init system.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Maybe so but being the most popular option made Microsoft some money it never actually made it very good. In all honesty Gnome + Fedora + Wayland is a mediocre work compared to windows. At that point the only reason to use linux is cost and given the cost of a license it really isn't a very good one. I wont feel bad about running a niche distro or even a different OS any more than I feel bad about picking Linux over windows in 2003. There is no accounting for taste and there are probably more people listening to Britney Spears than Beethoven. Its OK if you want to be involved with pop music there is money in it and it still requires the same skills to produce good sound regardless of the artist.