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It also illustrate that making the law against discrimination less complex would benefit everyone, just at different situations. An other weird situation that

by belorn 6y ago

It also illustrate that making the law against discrimination less complex would benefit everyone, just at different situations. An other weird situation that laws is causing is the gendered opening hours for public bath houses operated by the state. Politically there is an interest for having a women only day. In order to make it more equal there is also a men only day. If you ask the personal, days with mixed gender is more popular in terms of number of visitors, calmer and with less trouble. Polls also showed that visitors were happier with the visit during mixed gender days than during gendered day. It is also cheaper to operate for the government. The courts looked at the issue and decided that it was however consistent with the exception, and the decision at the end was up to the politicians to make. The outcome is that single sex days exist at most public bathhouses.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
I assume the single sex days exist for the minority that do find it more comfortable. Averages are only averages; no doubt there exist many that præfer the single-sex days as well. But it also shows another matter: I would think that the politicians would not be so accepting of single-race days, even if polls found that a just as significant number was more comfortable with them, as it is somehow in many cultures more acceptable to segregate by sex than it is by race. They would also be hesitants that have days that segregate on intelligence quotient, or income level, regardless of whether the polls show a desire for it. As far as I know, public bathhouses and saunas do not have single sex days and are all mixed bathing where I live, and in Anglo-Saxon countries, they tend to be completely segregated all the time, and of course in Saudi-Arabia, most famously entire parks and sports events are sex-segregated. I have read some anecdotal experiences of Anglo-Saxons in continental European mixed public baths, and how much of a culture shock it was for them. Yet, the verdict almost unanimously seems to be that however weird it be at first, the third time already it seems completely normal, and all the fears were unfounded and people really do not stare.
- belorn 6y ago
  It is possible that some prefer single-sex days, but I suspect it mostly in concept rather than practice. The increase violence between visitors (both on days with only women and days with only men) and the significant increase noise levels tend to be a bit off putting for a spa-like experience. But then obvious there are individuals who enjoy doing this or it would not occur in the first place. There is also for some reason a significant increase in smuggled in alcohol during single-sex days. That was likely not the intended goal of the politicians who advocated in favor of this, but its a strange consequence of the exception to allow discrimination in this case.

by belorn 6y ago

Blikkentrekker 6y ago

I assume the single sex days exist for the minority that do find it more comfortable. Averages are only averages; no doubt there exist many that præfer the single-sex days as well. But it also shows another matter: I would think that the politicians would not be so accepting of single-race days, even if polls found that a just as significant number was more comfortable with them, as it is somehow in many cultures more acceptable to segregate by sex than it is by race. They would also be hesitants that have days that segregate on intelligence quotient, or income level, regardless of whether the polls show a desire for it. As far as I know, public bathhouses and saunas do not have single sex days and are all mixed bathing where I live, and in Anglo-Saxon countries, they tend to be completely segregated all the time, and of course in Saudi-Arabia, most famously entire parks and sports events are sex-segregated. I have read some anecdotal experiences of Anglo-Saxons in continental European mixed public baths, and how much of a culture shock it was for them. Yet, the verdict almost unanimously seems to be that however weird it be at first, the third time already it seems completely normal, and all the fears were unfounded and people really do not stare.

belorn 6y ago
It is possible that some prefer single-sex days, but I suspect it mostly in concept rather than practice. The increase violence between visitors (both on days with only women and days with only men) and the significant increase noise levels tend to be a bit off putting for a spa-like experience. But then obvious there are individuals who enjoy doing this or it would not occur in the first place. There is also for some reason a significant increase in smuggled in alcohol during single-sex days. That was likely not the intended goal of the politicians who advocated in favor of this, but its a strange consequence of the exception to allow discrimination in this case.