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>We are unable to find significant statistical evidence that preexisting growth in diversity for underrepresented racial/ethnic minority groups is affected by t

>We are unable to find significant statistical evidence that preexisting growth in diversity for underrepresented racial/ethnic minority groups is affected by the hiring of an executive level diversity officer for new tenure and non-tenure track hires, faculty hired with tenure, or for university administrator hires. This is certainly no surprise to anyone. The real question is - is this because most college administration jobs are just bureaucratic rent seeking, and really don't do anything to begin with, or is it because trying to hire diversity is difficult because there is a low supply of diverse candidates who meet requirements?

lucozade 6y ago
> just bureaucratic rent seeking, and really don't do anything to begin with, *or* is it because trying to hire diversity is difficult At the risk of appearing trite, that *or* is very probably inclusive.
- COGlory 6y ago
  I don't understand what you mean by this comment. Could you clarify it?
  - alexpetralia 6y ago
    It's not an exclusive-or (exactly one is true), but rather an inclusive-or (at least one is true, potentially both).
ARandomerDude 6y ago
Third option: universities are already seeking to be as diverse as possible, so adding extra C-level pressure doesn't move the meter. Honestly, I think university culture is too diversity/intersectionality/critical race theory etc. focused at the expense of other goals. So it wouldn't surprise me if additional diversity is hard to achieve.
- CobrastanJorji 6y ago
  Another option: the same amount of pro-diversity work is being accomplished regardless of whether a university classifies the person/people doing the work as C-level executives or not, and the title and bureaucratic shuffling is effectively noise.
  - Balgair 6y ago
    Yet another option: The CDO's effects are hidden as ineffective and maintaining of the status quo. Yet, without them, the environment would be even less diverse. Their actions are meaningful, but through sheer luck, they exactly cancel out any further 'backsliding' of diversity. I'll admit, this possibility is incredibly small.
- ordinaryradical 6y ago
  The irony is that the modern university's view of diversity is so narrow-minded that it doesn't actually yield a diversity of perspectives. Yes, you can bolster a student body by welcoming students of different backgrounds, but ask any conservative student, any Christian student, or any student with no obvious ideological home in the secular Left if they feel welcomed and free to contribute the conversation and you will get an entirely different picture of the university system. Diversity is not merely a set of physical traits—it has to run through the psychological core of a person.
  - ARandomerDude 6y ago
    Agreed. I was in ROTC at a very left-leaning campus during the "Bush=Hitler" fad. It wasn't a pleasant experience.
    - kingkawn 6y ago
      How you think that experience rates against Iraqis and Afghans?
      - 6y ago
undefined1 6y ago
what if not they're not actually seeking diversity? maybe that's a red herring? what if the goal is to entrench an ideology? a good strategy would be getting control of the hiring process. then adding signals and filters for like-minded people. CDOs may be highly effective if measured on that basis.
- COGlory 6y ago
  That doesn't make for as high quality of a discussion if I open with that. But it's certainly a possibility, and if the goal was to entrench an ideology, getting control of the hiring process is probably the best way to do it.
908B64B197 6y ago
Have they considered that tenure track positions are pretty far along the education pipeline? Best way to get "diverse" tenured hires is to get "diverse" grad students. And the best way to get "diverse" grad students is to get "diverse" undergrads. And, shockingly, getting "diverse" undergrads can be achieved... by investing in whatever "diverse" community you want to grow.
- sjwalter 6y ago
  > And, shockingly, getting "diverse" undergrads can be achieved... by investing in whatever "diverse" community you want to grow. If only it were so simple. The world's best intelligence scientists and education researchers have spent the past three generations confirming and reconfirming the persistent gap in intelligence between different races. The gap persists even as average IQ skews upward over time. The "woke" viewpoint, and the friendly-seeming, easy-to-agree-with framing is that every difference in outcome is explained by oppression--full stop. That this completely contradicts what we'd expect based on 60 years of hard data and irrefutable evidence is of no concern--as the arbiters of what is culturally acceptable, it is now verboten in most venues to even acknowledge the obvious race-based intelligence gaps. See: Charles Murray, a truly gifted scholar, being pilloried and cast away as though he were a holocaust denier.

lucozade 6y ago

> just bureaucratic rent seeking, and really don't do anything to begin with, *or* is it because trying to hire diversity is difficult At the risk of appearing trite, that *or* is very probably inclusive.

COGlory 6y ago
I don't understand what you mean by this comment. Could you clarify it?
- alexpetralia 6y ago
  It's not an exclusive-or (exactly one is true), but rather an inclusive-or (at least one is true, potentially both).

ARandomerDude 6y ago

Third option: universities are already seeking to be as diverse as possible, so adding extra C-level pressure doesn't move the meter. Honestly, I think university culture is too diversity/intersectionality/critical race theory etc. focused at the expense of other goals. So it wouldn't surprise me if additional diversity is hard to achieve.

CobrastanJorji 6y ago
Another option: the same amount of pro-diversity work is being accomplished regardless of whether a university classifies the person/people doing the work as C-level executives or not, and the title and bureaucratic shuffling is effectively noise.
- Balgair 6y ago
  Yet another option: The CDO's effects are hidden as ineffective and maintaining of the status quo. Yet, without them, the environment would be even less diverse. Their actions are meaningful, but through sheer luck, they exactly cancel out any further 'backsliding' of diversity. I'll admit, this possibility is incredibly small.
ordinaryradical 6y ago
The irony is that the modern university's view of diversity is so narrow-minded that it doesn't actually yield a diversity of perspectives. Yes, you can bolster a student body by welcoming students of different backgrounds, but ask any conservative student, any Christian student, or any student with no obvious ideological home in the secular Left if they feel welcomed and free to contribute the conversation and you will get an entirely different picture of the university system. Diversity is not merely a set of physical traits—it has to run through the psychological core of a person.
- ARandomerDude 6y ago
  Agreed. I was in ROTC at a very left-leaning campus during the "Bush=Hitler" fad. It wasn't a pleasant experience.
  - kingkawn 6y ago
    How you think that experience rates against Iraqis and Afghans?
    - 6y ago

undefined1 6y ago

what if not they're not actually seeking diversity? maybe that's a red herring? what if the goal is to entrench an ideology? a good strategy would be getting control of the hiring process. then adding signals and filters for like-minded people. CDOs may be highly effective if measured on that basis.

COGlory 6y ago
That doesn't make for as high quality of a discussion if I open with that. But it's certainly a possibility, and if the goal was to entrench an ideology, getting control of the hiring process is probably the best way to do it.

908B64B197 6y ago

Have they considered that tenure track positions are pretty far along the education pipeline? Best way to get "diverse" tenured hires is to get "diverse" grad students. And the best way to get "diverse" grad students is to get "diverse" undergrads. And, shockingly, getting "diverse" undergrads can be achieved... by investing in whatever "diverse" community you want to grow.

sjwalter 6y ago
> And, shockingly, getting "diverse" undergrads can be achieved... by investing in whatever "diverse" community you want to grow. If only it were so simple. The world's best intelligence scientists and education researchers have spent the past three generations confirming and reconfirming the persistent gap in intelligence between different races. The gap persists even as average IQ skews upward over time. The "woke" viewpoint, and the friendly-seeming, easy-to-agree-with framing is that every difference in outcome is explained by oppression--full stop. That this completely contradicts what we'd expect based on 60 years of hard data and irrefutable evidence is of no concern--as the arbiters of what is culturally acceptable, it is now verboten in most venues to even acknowledge the obvious race-based intelligence gaps. See: Charles Murray, a truly gifted scholar, being pilloried and cast away as though he were a holocaust denier.