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I'm unaware of deteriorating community relations with Manjaro. Care to elaborate?

freedomben 6y ago
I don't know the deets, but the founder did some stuff with funds (commingling with personal funds?) that people think was messed up. It's causing a lot of tension in the community. I hope they get through it. Manjaro is my goto for my Pinebook Pro.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  Eww. The Manjaro arm64 kernel is hacked up and very far from vanilla/mainline Linux. A hot mess if I have ever seen one.
  - freedomben 6y ago
    Assuming what you're saying is true (I have no reason not to believe it), I do of course hope that gets corrected, but in the mean time I'm glad they at least got something to work. I tried quite a few other options before Manjaro and all of them had some kind of sharp edge. It may be that a hacked up kernel is what is needed right now to make it work well. I get 6x the battery life than I did before (seriously), and updates don't totally break my system. Two pretty nice features :-D
Foxboron 6y ago
Manjaro is currently owned by "Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG". One or two (maybe three now) constributors are hired by this company to work on the distro. Because of this there is essentially two parts to Manjaro. Manjaro the Community and Manjaro the Company. Manjaro the Company has funds from HW deals with Pine, laptop vendors and merch. Manjaro the Community has community donations through opencollective. These funds are parts of the community funds Phil (founder of Manjaro the Company, and project leader) had collected privately and forwarded to this collective. These funds are used to pay for laptops and merch associated with business expenses to forward the interest of Manjaro the Company. You can see how this creates some tensions when the boundary between the Community and the Company is blurry at best. https://opencollective.com/manjaro/ https://opencollective.com/manjaro/ https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/change-of-treasurer-for-manjaro-community-funds/154888 https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/change-of-treasurer-for...
- jonathonf 6y ago
  > These funds are parts of the community funds Phil (founder of Manjaro the Company, and project leader) had collected privately and forwarded to this collective OpenCollective and CommunityBridge/LFX were set up after the surprise company announcement to collect community donations from that point (and intended to protect them as independent). The previous privately-collected donations were never forwarded.
- bdefore 6y ago
  Thanks for this explanation. I've got a few devices happily yay'ing for a couple years now and hadn't realized the background. I don't mean to dismiss the tension or that jonathon has made an unfair stand, but I am not sure I understand how the schism is warranted. Any software that combines outside funding with donations has a risk of this right? Unless I'm missing something it may just be a personal falling out.
  - Foxboron 6y ago
    >Any software that combines outside funding with donations has a risk of this right? Unless I'm missing something it may just be a personal falling out. The problem is the intransparency in the way things where handled as well. This is the most recent event. There are more quarrels with FreeOffice Manjaro originally planned to pre-install for some reason, but later backpedaled after pushback.

I don't know the deets, but the founder did some stuff with funds (commingling with personal funds?) that people think was messed up. It's causing a lot of tension in the community. I hope they get through it. Manjaro is my goto for my Pinebook Pro.

CameronNemo 6y ago
Eww. The Manjaro arm64 kernel is hacked up and very far from vanilla/mainline Linux. A hot mess if I have ever seen one.
- freedomben 6y ago
  Assuming what you're saying is true (I have no reason not to believe it), I do of course hope that gets corrected, but in the mean time I'm glad they at least got something to work. I tried quite a few other options before Manjaro and all of them had some kind of sharp edge. It may be that a hacked up kernel is what is needed right now to make it work well. I get 6x the battery life than I did before (seriously), and updates don't totally break my system. Two pretty nice features :-D

Foxboron 6y ago

Manjaro is currently owned by "Manjaro GmbH & Co. KG". One or two (maybe three now) constributors are hired by this company to work on the distro. Because of this there is essentially two parts to Manjaro. Manjaro the Community and Manjaro the Company. Manjaro the Company has funds from HW deals with Pine, laptop vendors and merch. Manjaro the Community has community donations through opencollective. These funds are parts of the community funds Phil (founder of Manjaro the Company, and project leader) had collected privately and forwarded to this collective. These funds are used to pay for laptops and merch associated with business expenses to forward the interest of Manjaro the Company. You can see how this creates some tensions when the boundary between the Community and the Company is blurry at best. https://opencollective.com/manjaro/ https://opencollective.com/manjaro/ https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/change-of-treasurer-for-manjaro-community-funds/154888 https://archived.forum.manjaro.org/t/change-of-treasurer-for...

jonathonf 6y ago
> These funds are parts of the community funds Phil (founder of Manjaro the Company, and project leader) had collected privately and forwarded to this collective OpenCollective and CommunityBridge/LFX were set up after the surprise company announcement to collect community donations from that point (and intended to protect them as independent). The previous privately-collected donations were never forwarded.
bdefore 6y ago
Thanks for this explanation. I've got a few devices happily yay'ing for a couple years now and hadn't realized the background. I don't mean to dismiss the tension or that jonathon has made an unfair stand, but I am not sure I understand how the schism is warranted. Any software that combines outside funding with donations has a risk of this right? Unless I'm missing something it may just be a personal falling out.
- Foxboron 6y ago
  >Any software that combines outside funding with donations has a risk of this right? Unless I'm missing something it may just be a personal falling out. The problem is the intransparency in the way things where handled as well. This is the most recent event. There are more quarrels with FreeOffice Manjaro originally planned to pre-install for some reason, but later backpedaled after pushback.