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When you get caught you get booted off the platform.

slater 6y ago
As we can see with all those Twitter accounts that got bought for their usernames, which is AFAIK not allowed, but here we are, hey? /scnr
ardy42 6y ago
>> If verification is easy and accessible, what’s stopping a real person from getting a simple verification and then loaning out their account for bot actions (for a price)? > When you get caught you get booted off the platform. Which may not actually be a problem for most people. The thing that's stopping me from selling my Twitter account to a disinformation network is not my fear of losing access to Twitter, it's that I care about the problem of disinformation and don't want to see myself in the news for something like that. I'm sure there are thousands of people who'd sell a simply-verified Twitter account, and they probably wouldn't even demand that much. People are already spending hours a day trying to sell their nudes, and still only making a few hundred dollars total (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemic-users.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemi...).
- seniorivn 6y ago
  if verified accounts would be guaranteed to be able to post anything and hold accountable in court(not by twitter) that would be a completely different situation. in this case, an average user selling verified account would risk legal and financial consequences. It's unlikely spammers and other bots would be able to afford buying such accounts in mass. And additionally verified accounts would be out of touch for any censorship.
  - LegitShady 6y ago
    This nefarious social credit scheme operated by tech oligarchs who will subject everyone else to it unwillingly brought to you by seniorvn as an attempt to help us 'trust'. How about no.
- stickfigure 6y ago
  Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people. There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers. Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that?
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people. I don't think that's a problem if your goal is disinformation or manipulation: the report this network details consisted of only 14 accounts. > There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers. > Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that? I guess I'm disputing the presumption that Twitter accounts will ever be that valuable across all the members of society that the risk of loosing access to Twitter will be enough of a deterrent to any particular rando out there. Twitter's appeal seems to be mainly limited to certain slices of society (e.g. politicians, political pundits, and wannabes), and there are probably far more people outside those slices than inside them. If a rando waitress can get a verified Twitter account, and such accounts are useful for spreading disinformation, the GRU and black-hat PR agencies will probably be able to get all the accounts they'll ever need for something on the order of ~$100 a pop.
jjcon 6y ago
So I as someone that has never used Twitter could make a few bucks if I joined - worst case I’m back where I started?

As we can see with all those Twitter accounts that got bought for their usernames, which is AFAIK not allowed, but here we are, hey? /scnr

ardy42 6y ago

>> If verification is easy and accessible, what’s stopping a real person from getting a simple verification and then loaning out their account for bot actions (for a price)? > When you get caught you get booted off the platform. Which may not actually be a problem for most people. The thing that's stopping me from selling my Twitter account to a disinformation network is not my fear of losing access to Twitter, it's that I care about the problem of disinformation and don't want to see myself in the news for something like that. I'm sure there are thousands of people who'd sell a simply-verified Twitter account, and they probably wouldn't even demand that much. People are already spending hours a day trying to sell their nudes, and still only making a few hundred dollars total (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemic-users.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemi...).

seniorivn 6y ago
if verified accounts would be guaranteed to be able to post anything and hold accountable in court(not by twitter) that would be a completely different situation. in this case, an average user selling verified account would risk legal and financial consequences. It's unlikely spammers and other bots would be able to afford buying such accounts in mass. And additionally verified accounts would be out of touch for any censorship.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  This nefarious social credit scheme operated by tech oligarchs who will subject everyone else to it unwillingly brought to you by seniorvn as an attempt to help us 'trust'. How about no.
stickfigure 6y ago
Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people. There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers. Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that?
- ardy42 6y ago
  > Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people. I don't think that's a problem if your goal is disinformation or manipulation: the report this network details consisted of only 14 accounts. > There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers. > Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that? I guess I'm disputing the presumption that Twitter accounts will ever be that valuable across all the members of society that the risk of loosing access to Twitter will be enough of a deterrent to any particular rando out there. Twitter's appeal seems to be mainly limited to certain slices of society (e.g. politicians, political pundits, and wannabes), and there are probably far more people outside those slices than inside them. If a rando waitress can get a verified Twitter account, and such accounts are useful for spreading disinformation, the GRU and black-hat PR agencies will probably be able to get all the accounts they'll ever need for something on the order of ~$100 a pop.

jjcon 6y ago

So I as someone that has never used Twitter could make a few bucks if I joined - worst case I’m back where I started?