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On the one hand, trying to work with a company as intractable and anti-OSS as Nvidia must be incredibly frustrating and I sympathize. Nouveau is too slow and br

On the one hand, trying to work with a company as intractable and anti-OSS as Nvidia must be incredibly frustrating and I sympathize. Nouveau is too slow and broken to be usable, and that's also NV's fault. On the other, I'm never going to choose Wayland over Nvidia (i.e. throw out all my GPUs and buy slower ones), and it obviously can't be a default in any major distros while this is still the case. So long as it's not a default, it won't have the support or pressure needed to fix its many smaller problems. Unfortunately, Wayland is dead in the water until it can run on Nvidia machines, and no amount of blog posts will change that.

kaba0 6y ago
Yet again, wayland is the protocol. Wlroots based wayland compositors doesn’t support the nvidia created API, but gnome and as far as I know plasma on wayland both do so. So your statement is simply false that wayland can’t run on nvidia (proprietary. The open source version works everywhere).
- avh02 6y ago
  > Yet again, wayland is the protocol. if people on HN don't know or care on something like this (I didn't, and I don't), then good luck telling less HN-y people about wayland being the protocol and not the implementation. I'm annoyed at myself for this very comment, but somehow, somebody (many people), somewhere messed up the messaging around these things.
  - __s 6y ago
    The messaging needs to not say "wayland replaces X11", but instead "GNOME or KDE replace X11" & if someone wants to use a different compositor it's up to that compositor whether they want to match X11 features or not (& then the rest of the software ecosystem to implement support for that compositor's features) Then it becomes a question of whether GNOME/KDE have feature parity between X11 & wayland. Then other compositors can go about implementing the interfaces they've setup to be GNOME or KDE compatible

kaba0 6y ago

Yet again, wayland is the protocol. Wlroots based wayland compositors doesn’t support the nvidia created API, but gnome and as far as I know plasma on wayland both do so. So your statement is simply false that wayland can’t run on nvidia (proprietary. The open source version works everywhere).

avh02 6y ago
> Yet again, wayland is the protocol. if people on HN don't know or care on something like this (I didn't, and I don't), then good luck telling less HN-y people about wayland being the protocol and not the implementation. I'm annoyed at myself for this very comment, but somehow, somebody (many people), somewhere messed up the messaging around these things.
- __s 6y ago
  The messaging needs to not say "wayland replaces X11", but instead "GNOME or KDE replace X11" & if someone wants to use a different compositor it's up to that compositor whether they want to match X11 features or not (& then the rest of the software ecosystem to implement support for that compositor's features) Then it becomes a question of whether GNOME/KDE have feature parity between X11 & wayland. Then other compositors can go about implementing the interfaces they've setup to be GNOME or KDE compatible