3 ms·

Sure, I can understand people working on software X for a long time getting fed up with it and start working on software W. I can also understand that these pe

Sure, I can understand people working on software X for a long time getting fed up with it and start working on software W. I can also understand that these people have strong opinions on why W is so much better. The only trouble is that others, who are possibly not developers of window systems, may not care, or may find that it breaks their software, or may not want to write software that depends on W and doesn't work on X. So what if Xorg is "barely maintained"? It works. Hell, as long as it works, it's likely better for it not to change. If there are issues, in the free software world we say "patches welcome". No developer should feel chained to a project.

arghwhat 6y ago
There are not enough developers to even create a new release or review contributor patches. The Wayland community contributes a fair share due to xwayland, and we get stuck on this quite often. And yeah, it'll need fixes. over time. It's big, complex, and interacts with device drivers that are very much in flux.
- bluefox 6y ago
  I'm a bit confused about your post. Why would Xorg users care about XWayland, or new releases or contributor patches? Those who contribute to Xorg and feel stuck could step up to maintain it, if they wish. (Don't they do it already?) If they don't wish to maintain it, maybe their contributions are a waste of everyone's time? (Then again, maybe they get paid to do it, in which case it's their money-misery trade-off to make.) Over time, Xorg users may indeed need fixes. Then, I'm sure someone will step up.
  - arghwhat 6y ago
    > Why would Xorg users care about XWayland XWayland is Xorg. An Xwayland fix is an Xorg fix. An Xwayland bug is an Xorg bug. > Those who contribute to Xorg and feel stuck could step up to maintain it, if they wish. (Don't they do it already?) No one maintains Xorg anymore, so there is no one to review patches, merge and roll new releases with them. There's a huge difference between wanting to fix a bit and becoming an upstream maintainer. The maintainers left for good reason, and no one wants to be stuck with that turd. > Then, I'm sure someone will step up. It is not "over time", it is now or never.
    - bluefox 6y ago
      Welp, as a user of Xorg I'm fine with what I have. You seem to be playing on both senses of Xwayland both being Xorg and not being Xorg, but Xwayland will continue to be irrelevant to me. You say "now or never" but I've no idea what you're talking about. Your reply makes zero sense. If there's any trouble in the future, I'm sure someone will step up, as I said.
      - arghwhat 6y ago
        You have no idea what I am talking about because you don't engage with upstream Xorg and seem stuck in a "works on my machine" fallacy. Your attitude to the problem is a big contributor to Xorg upstreams demise. The biggest is, of course, that none of the maintainers wanted to deal with that dumpster fire anymore and jumped ship, and no one in the know is dumb enough to pick up the torch. But, a delusioned userbase is very unhelpful in recruiting new blood.

arghwhat 6y ago

There are not enough developers to even create a new release or review contributor patches. The Wayland community contributes a fair share due to xwayland, and we get stuck on this quite often. And yeah, it'll need fixes. over time. It's big, complex, and interacts with device drivers that are very much in flux.

bluefox 6y ago
I'm a bit confused about your post. Why would Xorg users care about XWayland, or new releases or contributor patches? Those who contribute to Xorg and feel stuck could step up to maintain it, if they wish. (Don't they do it already?) If they don't wish to maintain it, maybe their contributions are a waste of everyone's time? (Then again, maybe they get paid to do it, in which case it's their money-misery trade-off to make.) Over time, Xorg users may indeed need fixes. Then, I'm sure someone will step up.
- arghwhat 6y ago
  > Why would Xorg users care about XWayland XWayland is Xorg. An Xwayland fix is an Xorg fix. An Xwayland bug is an Xorg bug. > Those who contribute to Xorg and feel stuck could step up to maintain it, if they wish. (Don't they do it already?) No one maintains Xorg anymore, so there is no one to review patches, merge and roll new releases with them. There's a huge difference between wanting to fix a bit and becoming an upstream maintainer. The maintainers left for good reason, and no one wants to be stuck with that turd. > Then, I'm sure someone will step up. It is not "over time", it is now or never.
  - bluefox 6y ago
    Welp, as a user of Xorg I'm fine with what I have. You seem to be playing on both senses of Xwayland both being Xorg and not being Xorg, but Xwayland will continue to be irrelevant to me. You say "now or never" but I've no idea what you're talking about. Your reply makes zero sense. If there's any trouble in the future, I'm sure someone will step up, as I said.
    - arghwhat 6y ago
      You have no idea what I am talking about because you don't engage with upstream Xorg and seem stuck in a "works on my machine" fallacy. Your attitude to the problem is a big contributor to Xorg upstreams demise. The biggest is, of course, that none of the maintainers wanted to deal with that dumpster fire anymore and jumped ship, and no one in the know is dumb enough to pick up the torch. But, a delusioned userbase is very unhelpful in recruiting new blood.