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As far as I know it's impossible to eliminate this virus. The science we have so far says the virus is safer for children than the vaccine.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> As far as I know it's impossible to eliminate this virus Almost no virus is impossible to eliminate or eradicate. It’s a question of cost (and reservoirs). > The science we have so far says the virus is safer for children than the vaccine Source? We haven’t tested the vaccine on children. We have had children die from Covid. This sounds like bunk.
- postalrat 6y ago
  My only source is the logically conclusion when we don't have the data how the vaccine will affect children yet we do have data on how many children are suffering serious side effects from the virus.
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > only source is the logically conclusion I don't think this is unreasonable. (I lack the domain knowledge to call it reasonable or not. Though there are few vaccines that are safe for adults and unsafe for children.) But it's a stretch to brand that as "the science we have so far."
JoeAltmaier 6y ago
That sounds preposterous. Citation? Or is this some anti-vaxxer propaganda? Of course the virus can be eliminated. Like every cold that goes around, once R0 drops below 1 it dies out and we never see it again. Completely gone. There is no long-lasting latent virus outside of a living organism, not like bacteria.
- schreiaj 6y ago
  If the theory that it made the jump from another animal turns out to be true it means there’s a reservoir of virus in nature and short of developing some vaccine and distribution plan for that species it will be there. Or I guess eradicating the species. But that seems harmful.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    Lets not make this sound like some surprising new thing. COVID from animals jump every year and its called 'a cold'. Always a different one. Always quite different ones. This one will never recur.
- bluGill 6y ago
  This is an unknown. We know covid has spread to minks. There have been reports that it can spread to other animals. If covid spreads to something wild we may always have COVID coming back to humans from the wild animals around.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    We have 'COVID' spreading every year. Its called 'a cold'. The entire issue is, will this particularly pernicious one return. That is very unlikely (by many decimal places).
sojournerc 6y ago
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but we need to weigh the costs of trying to eliminate it, versus the very real likelihood that it is already endemic. We _could_ eliminate the common cold virus, but the measures taken would be so destructive to society, it's not worth it. The cost/benefit analysis here seems to be the crux of the conflict around COVID mitigation efforts.
anonuser123456 6y ago
> The science we have so far says the virus is safer for children than the vaccine. We have no such data.
- postalrat 6y ago
  Which is why we aren't giving children the vaccine. The virus is considered safer at this point.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    Only because we haven't done all the studies to prove the vaccines work. Vaccines safe for adults are pretty much all safe for children. However the children generally need different doses from adults so work is needed to figure out the correct dose. A some point a child's (baby) immune system isn't mature enough to react to the vaccine, this doesn't mean the vaccine is dangerous, it just means it does nothing but hurt.
  - anonuser123456 6y ago
    We also do not give children the virus. Currently we do not give children the vaccine because the relative value of giving it to the elderly vs. children is considerably tilted towards the elderly and it is a limited resource. It does not imply anything about the safety of the vaccine vs. virus itself in that age group.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> As far as I know it's impossible to eliminate this virus Almost no virus is impossible to eliminate or eradicate. It’s a question of cost (and reservoirs). > The science we have so far says the virus is safer for children than the vaccine Source? We haven’t tested the vaccine on children. We have had children die from Covid. This sounds like bunk.

postalrat 6y ago
My only source is the logically conclusion when we don't have the data how the vaccine will affect children yet we do have data on how many children are suffering serious side effects from the virus.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > only source is the logically conclusion I don't think this is unreasonable. (I lack the domain knowledge to call it reasonable or not. Though there are few vaccines that are safe for adults and unsafe for children.) But it's a stretch to brand that as "the science we have so far."

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

That sounds preposterous. Citation? Or is this some anti-vaxxer propaganda? Of course the virus can be eliminated. Like every cold that goes around, once R0 drops below 1 it dies out and we never see it again. Completely gone. There is no long-lasting latent virus outside of a living organism, not like bacteria.

schreiaj 6y ago
If the theory that it made the jump from another animal turns out to be true it means there’s a reservoir of virus in nature and short of developing some vaccine and distribution plan for that species it will be there. Or I guess eradicating the species. But that seems harmful.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  Lets not make this sound like some surprising new thing. COVID from animals jump every year and its called 'a cold'. Always a different one. Always quite different ones. This one will never recur.
bluGill 6y ago
This is an unknown. We know covid has spread to minks. There have been reports that it can spread to other animals. If covid spreads to something wild we may always have COVID coming back to humans from the wild animals around.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  We have 'COVID' spreading every year. Its called 'a cold'. The entire issue is, will this particularly pernicious one return. That is very unlikely (by many decimal places).

sojournerc 6y ago

I wouldn't say it's impossible, but we need to weigh the costs of trying to eliminate it, versus the very real likelihood that it is already endemic. We _could_ eliminate the common cold virus, but the measures taken would be so destructive to society, it's not worth it. The cost/benefit analysis here seems to be the crux of the conflict around COVID mitigation efforts.

anonuser123456 6y ago

> The science we have so far says the virus is safer for children than the vaccine. We have no such data.

postalrat 6y ago
Which is why we aren't giving children the vaccine. The virus is considered safer at this point.
- bluGill 6y ago
  Only because we haven't done all the studies to prove the vaccines work. Vaccines safe for adults are pretty much all safe for children. However the children generally need different doses from adults so work is needed to figure out the correct dose. A some point a child's (baby) immune system isn't mature enough to react to the vaccine, this doesn't mean the vaccine is dangerous, it just means it does nothing but hurt.
- anonuser123456 6y ago
  We also do not give children the virus. Currently we do not give children the vaccine because the relative value of giving it to the elderly vs. children is considerably tilted towards the elderly and it is a limited resource. It does not imply anything about the safety of the vaccine vs. virus itself in that age group.