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Garuda Linux
- gegtik 6y agoWhat's the selling point of this distro, vs any other? I dont see it.
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- jvzr 6y agoAFAIK it comes built-in as a slightly customized Arch (using regular Arch repos, plus one of their own) with Btrfs as default FS, Pipewire as default sound system, and many Kernel patches oriented towards "performance". They have an edition more suited towards gaming, and also one with a very customized KDE desktop. It is very similar to Endeavour and Reborn, although with the aforementioned tweaks
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y agoApparently an optimised, rather 'riced' kernel for gaming setups. Default filesystem BTRFS with zstd compression, integrated with snapshotting and GRUB. So you can easily roll back from a botched upgrade, straight from GRUB. Which could be handy since it's based on Arch.
- stragies 6y agoThe default Garuda GRUB options disable all CPU/GPU level security patches against Meltdown, Spectre etc. by running with "mitigations=off". That is playing with fire for anything operating on data you'd consider non-public, imo.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y agoI noticed that, and said so in another post... edit: Think of cars on a racetrack. Street worthiness considered ballast...ROAAARRRR!
- Saint_Genet 6y agoA ddg site search of "cve" returns zero hits.
- VRay 6y agoI don't get it, are you saying spectre/meltdown aren't dangerous?
- screamingninja 6y agohttps://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5715 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5715 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5754 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2017-5754 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-3639 https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2018-3639 > A ddg site search of "cve" returns zero hits. What was your search query?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoI think I expressed myself poorly, a search of the Garuda site has zero hits on the term cve.
- jonathonf 6y agoThere is an _option_ to do this, it is _not_ the default.
- stragies 6y agoThe screenshot in their picture gallery has it checked, so I assumed, that was the default setting
- jonathonf 6y agoI guess the Garuda Boot Options screenshot shows the options in operation: https://garudalinux.org/images/garuda/ss/garuda-boot-options.png https://garudalinux.org/images/garuda/ss/garuda-boot-options... I'm not sure whether this is misleading or not given the nature of illustrative screenshots, e.g. the package management one shows VLC installed but not Firefox: https://garudalinux.org/images/garuda/ss/pamac.png https://garudalinux.org/images/garuda/ss/pamac.png
- rndgermandude 6y agoIs it really so much worse, outright playing with fire? There are only few things running untrusted code on a typical end-user system, most notably the browsers executing javascript. Now that would be attack-able. But then again, it seems unlikely that anybody would launch broadly deployed attacks, as the vast majority of systems would run with mitigations on, so it's just not worth the trouble considering that and considering that you also have to get lucky to actually extract something valuable (and recognize it is valuable). On top of that, browsers also bring a bunch of mitigations that make it harder to exploit these bugs even if system mitigations are disabled. I'm personally not very concerned about anybody trying to attack me with spectre/meltdown class bugs that can be and are usually mitigated, even with mitigations disabled on my system. If somebody wanted to attack me, either at random (broad attack), or targeting me specifically, they'd have far better ways and targets to try first than hoping I'd visit their website and run without mitigations enabled and have something valuable in my memory. This is different if it's a shared system, like cloud machines/shared hosting, where this is an class of bugs is far more of a concern. And if you know or have reason to suspect you're a specific target, then you might err on the side of caution as well.
- acct776 6y agoThis is an outdated take. These attacks are being done algorithmically, automatically now.
- rndgermandude 6y ago{citation needed} Seriously, I haven't seen any news of these attacks being used against end-user systems, either broadly or targeted. Have some links?
- unsungNovelty 6y agoGaruda is meant to fill the void between Arch Linux and Manjaro Linux. Trying to be closer to Arch by having only one extra repo than Arch linux compared to 3 repos (Stable, testing, unstable? ) in Manjaro. Some tools shown are of Manjaro origin. Like Pamac & Garuda Settings Manager. Context: I am hearing about Garuda Linux in Manjaro forum where I presume "the developer" talked about it in the "Other OS" discussion section. With the deteriorating community relations Manjaro has been having with their community and with some of the Manjaro folks like old time users/volunteers moving to Garuda because of it, Garuda Linux has a place and an opportunity at hand to outshine Manjaro. If they keep their community relationships in check I guess.
- arminiusreturns 6y agoWhat relations deterioration are yoi talking about? The big thing was a while ago now and I havent heard any new drama, what did I miss?
- bdefore 6y agoI'm unaware of deteriorating community relations with Manjaro. Care to elaborate?
- freedomben 6y agoI don't know the deets, but the founder did some stuff with funds (commingling with personal funds?) that people think was messed up. It's causing a lot of tension in the community. I hope they get through it. Manjaro is my goto for my Pinebook Pro.
- CameronNemo 6y agoEww. The Manjaro arm64 kernel is hacked up and very far from vanilla/mainline Linux. A hot mess if I have ever seen one.
- freedomben 6y agoAssuming what you're saying is true (I have no reason not to believe it), I do of course hope that gets corrected, but in the mean time I'm glad they at least got something to work. I tried quite a few other options before Manjaro and all of them had some kind of sharp edge. It may be that a hacked up kernel is what is needed right now to make it work well. I get 6x the battery life than I did before (seriously), and updates don't totally break my system. Two pretty nice features :-D
- pkulak 6y agoOpinionated Arch flavor? Looks kinda cool since it lines up very closely with the decisions I make when I install Arch.
- forgotmypw17 6y agoOne of the special things about Garudas is that they are born flying. In other words, a flying Garuda adult typically gives birth to a baby Garuda mid-air, while flying, and the newborn already knows how to fly and flies on.
- jdlyga 6y agoLooks like a new Antergos?
- folkrav 6y agoEndeavour OS is Antergos' spiritual successor, AFAIK - OOTB you more or less get a vanilla Arch install w/ some minimal theming and configuration. Garuda looks more focused on giving you a fully configured Arch installed, including backups, heavy theming, using btrfs, a bunch of management GUI tooling, etc.
- ekianjo 6y agoAntergos was completely broken (their installer did not work several times during the year because they did not properly test it) so let's hope it has a better reputation.
- gadders 6y agoLet's hope it crashes less often than Garuda Airlines. (NB Yes they are supposed to have improved but 10-20 years ago they had a very bad reputation).
- dubcanada 6y agoWhat does this have to do with Garuda Airlines?
- gattilorenz 6y agoIt has the same first name. Which, incidentally, is a mythological bird creature (hence the logo) from Hindu mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda
- stopdistrobs 6y agoWhat, oh what is this doing on HN? I'm sorry but we do not need to encourage people to spend their time making "distros" (aka, default packages and a theme), or promoting the use of such things. No security team, no discussion of what package set they use. Come on, this is cringe. Their HIDPI functionality will delete your $HOME and their backup strategy doesn't backup $HOME. https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/after-deactivate-hidpi-my-home-dir-got-wipe/3748 https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/after-deactivate-hidpi-my-ho... I'm sorry, I don't mean to be overly dismissive but if anyone is spending more than 20 seconds considering ever running something like this, please get better at rapidly evaluating information.
- syoc 6y agoI feel you are projecting a lot about why or how people would test this distro. Playing with something in a VM or on some laptop for a couple of hours for fun is perfectly fine. Even if you are playing with broken or "not good" software. Also, how polished should something you spend your free time on be before you allow the public to take a look? I have never not tried this distro myself and not read it's documentation. It might claim to do things it shouldn't.
- ketralnis 6y agoNobody's making you use it and calling somebody's work "cringe" is pretty rude
- alexwasserman 6y agoI think a bug that causes loss of personal data when changing a display setting warrants a "cringe"-type flag. It's a pretty egregious bug to have. Nothing on their site says "This is not ready for daily use", but bugs that wipe out my home directory when touching common, and unrelated settings, definitely make me think this is a pre-alpha type project. Cringe might be a loaded term, but it's appropriate.
- Kaze404 6y agoIt's just completely unproductive. I don't see an issue with pointing out the flaws in the distro, but calling it "cringe" does nothing to your comment besides devalue it. Why not use a descriptive word like "insecure"?
- pcdoodle 6y agoI like the built in snapshots feature, good for linux noobs like myself. Any other distros have this feature in their OOBE?
- pr0zac 6y agoI'm currently running Manjaro (also based on Arch) on my work laptop. It also has the snapshots feature. I had to use it recently when a kernel update broke my GPU and my external monitor stopped working. https://manjaro.org/ https://manjaro.org/
- LeoPanthera 6y agoopenSUSE also has this
- acd 6y agoNice with the Steam gaming and graphic design.
- eyeundersand 6y agoDoes anyone have info regarding their naming? Another commentator mentioned the bird in Hindu mythology but I'm curious why they chose that name. They also have a ||Shree|| at the top of their webpages.
- splintercell 6y agoJust a mascot I presume
- xinuc 6y agoGaruda is the common name for Javan hawk-eagle [1], an Indonesian endemic bird. It's also Indonesian national emblem [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan_hawk-eagle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javan_hawk-eagle [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_emblem_of_Indonesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_emblem_of_Indonesia
- FlyingSnake 6y agoIt denotes speed and air-supremacy and it's mythical status makes it a well known symbol across South and S.E. Asia. (as well as Mongolia). Some of the core developers are Indians and Garuda is a local name for Eagle in many Indian languages.
- danans 6y agoLinux has historically been associated with a penguin mascot, so seems like perhaps they pivoted to the local name of a different bird, the eagle, which is what Garuda literally translates to (in addition to being the name of the mythological king of the eagles). The ||Shree|| at the top is a religious symbol when presented in that way though, as a search for that term will easily demonstrate: https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&rlz=1CAUSXU_enUS921&sxsrf=ALeKk02rXIIqsFZP8_2AHonLERzo9RMJEQ%3A1612295407228&ei=76wZYKS4Dc7K0PEP45iNkAo&q=%22%7C%7C+%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80+%7C%7C%22&oq=%22%7C%7C+%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%80+%7C%7C%22&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjICCAAyAgguMgIILjICCAA6BwgAEEcQsANQgL0CWOLIAmCPzAJoAXACeACAAWuIAbYBkgEDMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjk65S4_MvuAhVOJTQIHWNMA6IQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&rlz=1CAUSXU_enUS92... The only common non-religious context for that word is when it means "Mr." but for that it must precede a name. So I'm not sure why it's there if not as a religious symbol. It would be similar to having "God is great" or "Allahu 'Akbar" up there. Perhaps projecting their religious identity is important for the developers of this project.
- KabirKwatra 6y agoI use Garuda Linux on my main machine, but there are some annoying bugs. I dont know if it's the theme or kde, but after a window has been open for a long time the window buttons don't show the colors. Theres also weird scaling with text in window borders and the titles in latte pick from arbitrary instances of the application.
- unsungNovelty 6y agoHave you tried posting an issue on their forums? New Linux Distros have a great amount of patience to users. And also the first class support in their own official forums.
- stragies 6y agoMake sure, you properly backup your HOME-Dir, or make sure to not enable HiDPI. Garuda has a bug, where it deletes your Data if you go messing with the wrong appearance settings: https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/after-deactivate-hidpi-my-home-dir-got-wipe/3748 https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/after-deactivate-hidpi-my-ho...
- jonathonf 6y agoIt doesn't make the original bug less severe, but it was resolved under an hour after it was reported.
- stragies 6y agoOh, good to know, thanks for replying! Makes you wonder about the underlying plumbing though, if setting an GUI appearance option can lead to data loss in the first place. Is there a writeup/summary somewhere that explains "the lessons learned"? Otherwise I'd kind-of start to worry about what could happen, if ... say ... I change the Bluetooth output codec, or some other other UI details.
- jonathonf 6y ago> Is there a writeup/summary somewhere that explains "the lessons learned"? Not that I'm aware of, but I'm sure you could check the GitLab commits and/or ask on their forum if you're interested. This is a young project (just under a year old) with developers who do this for fun. The developers are going to keep making changes that maintain the fun they have during development. Mistakes will be made. Things will break. Lessons will be learned. This isn't a decades-old mature distro, so if you're expecting something absolutely bullet-proof then Garuda currently isn't it. However, I will say that the pace of improvement is pretty stunning. Their direction and what they have achieved in a short space of time is pretty impressive - not just within the distro itself but the surrounding OOB features and infrastructure like ChaoticAUR (prebuilt AUR packages), secure password management (Bitwarden), dotfile sync (NextCloud), a pastebin service for log output (Privatebin), ... Is it perfect? No. Is it for everyone? No. It is what it is, and doesn't try to be anything else, and I kind of like that approach.
- sitzkrieg 6y agothe contrast on most of the uis they show on the homepage is absolutely terrible, hope there are more themes
- jonathonf 6y agoYou can switch to whatever theme you want. The defaults are opinionated. If you like them, great. If not, use another distro. That's fine.
- ElijahLynn 6y agoI was wondering "why" and then started scrolling down and the GUI around pamac and AUR is compelling, because AUR is THE best thing about Arch. I install 99%+ of my packages with an AUR helper (yay) because AUR is so well contributed too! The BTRFS by default seems compelling too!
- The_rationalist 6y agoWhat does this gui bring over the one in manjaro?
- Quot 6y agoPamac is the default GUI package manager for Manjaro, so there's nothing different with that.
- globular-toast 6y agoI thought the appeal of Arch was that it's a bit like Gentoo without all the compiling? Why not use Gentoo if 99% of your stuff is AUR builds?
- fao_ 6y agoThe last time I tried to install gentoo the build system itself broke mid-install
- globular-toast 6y agoOdd. Used it for years and it's never let me down. It's way more stable than Arch which will definitely break if you're not careful as everything is bleeding edge.
- fao_ 6y agoI've used arch for about 9 years and have only really had it break on me for a reason that was a) shitty hardware or b) a pre-planned breakage that was alerted to and a solution given via the news page. Maybe some other minor cases of breakage but all had solutions in say, the Arch Wiki. Never has the build system itself crapped out on me, though
- lxe 6y agoNice feature set! Usually I don't care for yet-another-distro, but I think these folks are prioritizing multimedia, gaming, and other "linux on the desktop" features that I don't see much of these days.
- davidthewatson 6y agoI had been running Manjaro on an acer swift 3 but decided to try Garuda qtile this evening. The install had one hiccup near the end which looked like this: https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=garuda+linux+qtile+installation+failed&d=4954111795266631&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=PWHI8iJV-kfM3rgM6Fbs-NLA_iTLtivy https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=garuda+linux+qtile+install... I shut down the live USB stick, rebooted, and everything worked fine despite the error. I did the pamac update. Everything was quick including wifi and barrier worked on my existing win/mac/lin setup without fail installed from AUR. Configured a few things on the desktop and everything I depend on worked out of the box, which is surprising given the Ryzen 4700U that requires a recent kernel to function well. This was 5.10 so good enough. Testing power functions as soon as I can find them. Chuckle. The default qtile config doesn't make power easy to find. Happy so far though. Terminal config is perfect out of the box. I just needed to tweak the fonts a bit up for my aging eyes on the 1920x1080@14". Ouch! Really enjoying Garuda with qtile for the turnkey tiling WM that's almost as good as manjaro i3 or Regolith if you like their Ubuntu build. Not quite there yet - but close.