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The US seems to be nosediving at breakneck speed though, regardless of the change of president, due to the immense systemic issues it accumulated over the decad

The US seems to be nosediving at breakneck speed though, regardless of the change of president, due to the immense systemic issues it accumulated over the decades. Please try escaping out of your own liberal fantasy bubble and explore some other bubbles if you want to see how other people think about your country.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
I don't see why you assume parent is living in a fantasy bubble. Their only big claim is that Trump is objectively the worst president ever, a claim which will probably be backed up by history based solely on the unprecedented scale of his attempt to undermine the 2020 election. Even other republicans are calling him, and those who align with him, out for their antics. In what sense is this part of a "liberal fantasy bubble"?
- Veen 6y ago
  I dislike Trump and I'm not American, but is he "objectively" worse than the president who started a multi-decade war motivated by lies and false intelligence that killed thousands of US troops and hundreds of thousands of civilians?
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    From a world history perspective, touche, but from an American history perspective he almost certainly still is.
  - covidthrow 6y ago
    Of course he's not. But the liberal media elite have twisted his likeness into a demon, far as many Americans are concerned. Whether it was because it was fashionable, a tantrum because he won in 2016, that he is just abrasive/obnoxious, or what remains to be seen. But it certainly wasn't because of a preponderance of fact and reason. There's plenty of reason for people to criticize Trump, but the outsized hysteria is not likely something that history will look upon with affirmation. He did end his presidency with spectacularly bad form, but even the degree to which he's blamed for some of the stuff that occurred is both hypocritical and irrational. (Again, largely fed by media and political narrative.) That the Left emerges to think that they are somehow superior is laughable. They're sick and twisted, too. But they won't know that because of what their constantly fed. Ironically, my wife—who is as progressive as they come—feels similarly. There is a massive disease in America right now—both sides included—and the actions of the last few years probably won't be looked upon fondly by history.
- lasagnaphil 6y ago
  I don't have time to recap on the current status of US politics again, so here's another comment I've made about it in the past: (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668070) As well as this Reddit post (https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kueyj1/monetary_policy_is_the_great_risk_millennials_face/gisc45v/ https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kueyj1/mone...), which I've posted weirdly enough on /r/wsb, but even people there seemed to be quite interested in this stuff.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    I read your HN comment, and largely agree with the categorizations therein, but I fail to see what that has to do with the claimed "liberal fantasy bubble" in regards to the parent.
- flavius29663 6y ago
  worse than the many presidents that allowed slavery to continue long after most developed nations banned it? Worse than the presidents that presided over the native genocide? Worse than the president that allowed the civil war to happen? Worse than the presidents that allowed Vietnam to happen? Or Afghanistan +Iraq?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

I don't see why you assume parent is living in a fantasy bubble. Their only big claim is that Trump is objectively the worst president ever, a claim which will probably be backed up by history based solely on the unprecedented scale of his attempt to undermine the 2020 election. Even other republicans are calling him, and those who align with him, out for their antics. In what sense is this part of a "liberal fantasy bubble"?

Veen 6y ago
I dislike Trump and I'm not American, but is he "objectively" worse than the president who started a multi-decade war motivated by lies and false intelligence that killed thousands of US troops and hundreds of thousands of civilians?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  From a world history perspective, touche, but from an American history perspective he almost certainly still is.
- covidthrow 6y ago
  Of course he's not. But the liberal media elite have twisted his likeness into a demon, far as many Americans are concerned. Whether it was because it was fashionable, a tantrum because he won in 2016, that he is just abrasive/obnoxious, or what remains to be seen. But it certainly wasn't because of a preponderance of fact and reason. There's plenty of reason for people to criticize Trump, but the outsized hysteria is not likely something that history will look upon with affirmation. He did end his presidency with spectacularly bad form, but even the degree to which he's blamed for some of the stuff that occurred is both hypocritical and irrational. (Again, largely fed by media and political narrative.) That the Left emerges to think that they are somehow superior is laughable. They're sick and twisted, too. But they won't know that because of what their constantly fed. Ironically, my wife—who is as progressive as they come—feels similarly. There is a massive disease in America right now—both sides included—and the actions of the last few years probably won't be looked upon fondly by history.
lasagnaphil 6y ago
I don't have time to recap on the current status of US politics again, so here's another comment I've made about it in the past: (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668070) As well as this Reddit post (https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kueyj1/monetary_policy_is_the_great_risk_millennials_face/gisc45v/ https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/kueyj1/mone...), which I've posted weirdly enough on /r/wsb, but even people there seemed to be quite interested in this stuff.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  I read your HN comment, and largely agree with the categorizations therein, but I fail to see what that has to do with the claimed "liberal fantasy bubble" in regards to the parent.
flavius29663 6y ago
worse than the many presidents that allowed slavery to continue long after most developed nations banned it? Worse than the presidents that presided over the native genocide? Worse than the president that allowed the civil war to happen? Worse than the presidents that allowed Vietnam to happen? Or Afghanistan +Iraq?