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Seems like those goalposts have been moved then… If your argument is that some partially effective measures might have a paradoxically negative effect by encou

Seems like those goalposts have been moved then… If your argument is that some partially effective measures might have a paradoxically negative effect by encouraging unsafe behaviour, then that seems like a reasonable possibility to explore - and would require some data. I personally struggle to think of any ways in which my behaviour would become less safe as a result of having my temperature taken when entering a store, but YMMV.

nucleardog 6y ago
> I personally struggle to think of any ways in which my behaviour would become less safe as a result of having my temperature taken when entering a store, but YMMV. Literally the example given--people don't feel the need to avoid going to a crowded, indoor space because "they're taking temperatures at the door". You may not fall victim to this, but it's otherwise a pretty well-known phenomenon with some research: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/iere.12402 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/iere.12402 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/260352 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/260352 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001457514003807?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00014... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004727271730052X?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-009-9548-2 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-009-9548-2
lamontcg 6y ago
> my behaviour I mean its literally not about you, its about the behavior of crowds and you are one N=1? Also the people who object to this are generally the kind of people who don't realize how much their own opinions and behavior are molded by these things. If you don't realize that this goes on, and that it is effective, you are more likely to be one of the susceptible ones.

nucleardog 6y ago

> I personally struggle to think of any ways in which my behaviour would become less safe as a result of having my temperature taken when entering a store, but YMMV. Literally the example given--people don't feel the need to avoid going to a crowded, indoor space because "they're taking temperatures at the door". You may not fall victim to this, but it's otherwise a pretty well-known phenomenon with some research: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/iere.12402 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/iere.12402 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/260352 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/260352 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001457514003807?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00014... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004727271730052X?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-009-9548-2 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-009-9548-2

lamontcg 6y ago

> my behaviour I mean its literally not about you, its about the behavior of crowds and you are one N=1? Also the people who object to this are generally the kind of people who don't realize how much their own opinions and behavior are molded by these things. If you don't realize that this goes on, and that it is effective, you are more likely to be one of the susceptible ones.