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I'm fine with that if those extra measure are downside free. Except they are not, temperature check, mask, etc, incur extra cost, effort, inconvenience, annoyan

by matz1 6y ago

I'm fine with that if those extra measure are downside free. Except they are not, temperature check, mask, etc, incur extra cost, effort, inconvenience, annoyance, etc. The question is whether its worth it ? For me its obviously No

matthewmacleod 6y ago
It’s not at all obvious and you are simply wrong on this point.
- matz1 6y ago
  How is it wrong?
  - matthewmacleod 6y ago
    It is not at all obvious. I don’t know how to make it any clearer than that. It might be a theory worth investigating further; you have no basis for claiming that it is obvious, particularly because you lump multiple entirely different methods of mitigation together in a big “obviously not worth it” bucket when they self-evidently have such different characteristics that they cannot be treated in the same way.
    - matz1 6y ago
      I said for me its obvious that the downside from the extras measure is greater than the downside from the virus itself. I didn't say/imply its obvious for you or any other people. Its a subjective comparison.
Larrikin 6y ago
What covid measures are down side free then? Should just nothing be done and we ramp up deaths for a slight inconvenience? 2 to 5 dollar masks that are proven to significantly reduce spread and a single employee standing outside with a hundred dollar thermometer to make sure no one with obvious symptoms comes in (they're also checking for people coughing as well) seems about as tiny an inconvenience as possible. It's not 100 percent but we know how it spreads, people that actually need to go out have the ability to get the most effective PPE, and at this point we should be directing our efforts to vaccine distribution instead of improving covid protocols (or worse loosening them prematurely as we vaccinate) for the people bored at home.
- matz1 6y ago
  Yes, if you don't have better massure then nothing be done would be better. >seems about as tiny an inconvenience as possible. maybe tiny for for you but definitely not tiny for me There is no conclusive evidence that the death is correlated with temperature check/ mask. Maybe the n95 mask can reduce spread but the clothes mask that most people use doesn't do much. I know it spread and it spread easily but fortunately for vast majority of case they will be asymptomatic or only have symptoms.
  - Larrikin 6y ago
    None of what you believe is based on scientific evidence.
    - matz1 6y ago
      how is it not ?
      - nucleardog 6y ago
        > There is no conclusive evidence that the death is correlated with temperature check/ mask. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Associati... "Conclusions. Societal norms and government policies supporting the wearing of masks by the public, as well as international travel controls, are independently associated with lower per-capita mortality from COVID-19." > Maybe the n95 mask can reduce spread but the clothes mask that most people use doesn't do much. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 Numbers vary across studies and materials, but a mask of a single layer of moderate thread count cotton is 80-100% effective at filtration depending on particle size. > I know it spread and it spread easily but fortunately for vast majority of case they will be asymptomatic or only have symptoms. https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=29806&publicId=395 https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-deta... 30% asymptomatic does not a "vast majority" make. More than 1 in 50 infected dying (or 1 in 12 in the cases of countries with significant infections) may not matter to you, but that's something to be avoided for most people. On-going research is continually revealing new long-term impacts of those that recover from the disease. If you're genuinely asking, there's some reading material. You can find literally dozens of sources refuting each of your claims. If you're not, I'm not really interested in a debate.

by matz1 6y ago

matthewmacleod 6y ago

It’s not at all obvious and you are simply wrong on this point.

matz1 6y ago
How is it wrong?
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  It is not at all obvious. I don’t know how to make it any clearer than that. It might be a theory worth investigating further; you have no basis for claiming that it is obvious, particularly because you lump multiple entirely different methods of mitigation together in a big “obviously not worth it” bucket when they self-evidently have such different characteristics that they cannot be treated in the same way.
  - matz1 6y ago
    I said for me its obvious that the downside from the extras measure is greater than the downside from the virus itself. I didn't say/imply its obvious for you or any other people. Its a subjective comparison.

Larrikin 6y ago

What covid measures are down side free then? Should just nothing be done and we ramp up deaths for a slight inconvenience? 2 to 5 dollar masks that are proven to significantly reduce spread and a single employee standing outside with a hundred dollar thermometer to make sure no one with obvious symptoms comes in (they're also checking for people coughing as well) seems about as tiny an inconvenience as possible. It's not 100 percent but we know how it spreads, people that actually need to go out have the ability to get the most effective PPE, and at this point we should be directing our efforts to vaccine distribution instead of improving covid protocols (or worse loosening them prematurely as we vaccinate) for the people bored at home.

matz1 6y ago
Yes, if you don't have better massure then nothing be done would be better. >seems about as tiny an inconvenience as possible. maybe tiny for for you but definitely not tiny for me There is no conclusive evidence that the death is correlated with temperature check/ mask. Maybe the n95 mask can reduce spread but the clothes mask that most people use doesn't do much. I know it spread and it spread easily but fortunately for vast majority of case they will be asymptomatic or only have symptoms.
- Larrikin 6y ago
  None of what you believe is based on scientific evidence.
  - matz1 6y ago
    how is it not ?
    - nucleardog 6y ago
      > There is no conclusive evidence that the death is correlated with temperature check/ mask. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Association_of_country-wide_coronavirus_mortality_with_demographics_testing_lockdowns_and_public_wearing_of_masks_Update_June_15_2020 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Associati... "Conclusions. Societal norms and government policies supporting the wearing of masks by the public, as well as international travel controls, are independently associated with lower per-capita mortality from COVID-19." > Maybe the n95 mask can reduce spread but the clothes mask that most people use doesn't do much. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 Numbers vary across studies and materials, but a mask of a single layer of moderate thread count cotton is 80-100% effective at filtration depending on particle size. > I know it spread and it spread easily but fortunately for vast majority of case they will be asymptomatic or only have symptoms. https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-detail?articleid=29806&publicId=395 https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about-us/news-press/news-deta... 30% asymptomatic does not a "vast majority" make. More than 1 in 50 infected dying (or 1 in 12 in the cases of countries with significant infections) may not matter to you, but that's something to be avoided for most people. On-going research is continually revealing new long-term impacts of those that recover from the disease. If you're genuinely asking, there's some reading material. You can find literally dozens of sources refuting each of your claims. If you're not, I'm not really interested in a debate.