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> when in fact the lead developers on Wayland are the actual Xorg maintainers. Daniel Stone[0] incredibly funny and educational talk[1] from 2013 could help ma

> when in fact the lead developers on Wayland are the actual Xorg maintainers. Daniel Stone[0] incredibly funny and educational talk[1] from 2013 could help many critics who missed the 3 decade long ongoing discussion of why X is bad. We've talked about this already in the mid 90ies (when there were no alternatives) and now 8 years after this popular linux.conf.au talk, people still having troubles understanding why X has always been a terrible tradeoff for both security and performance (well for literally everything). [0] https://www.fooishbar.org/about/ https://www.fooishbar.org/about/ [1] The Real Story Behind Wayland and X https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 edit: BUT X IS THE UNIX WAY! << so what is the 1 thing X does, and what is it doing well?

posix_me_less 6y ago
The talk was interesting but it also shows how the speaker is a little deluded that everything turns around technical quality of code and developers. X is used and preferred by many users and application authors because it is the standard and it works. > so what is the 1 thing X does, and what is it doing well? It provides functional and well-established(accepted standard) graphics server technology/libraries for any application that uses graphics. I don't care if it takes 10 liters of blood to compile one version of X or whatever. I'm a user. All I care is that my desktop works as robustly as did it yesterday or 5 years ago. If that's not happening, I'm not interested in macros, classes, variables, declarations, structs, or any other geeky CS technobabble. That's irrelevant. And a product that advertises itself as being created to be convenient for the people developing it is a paradox. Don't develop it, then. Makes things even easier. -- from https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-25-wayland-vs-xorg.html https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-25-wayland-vs-xor...

posix_me_less 6y ago

The talk was interesting but it also shows how the speaker is a little deluded that everything turns around technical quality of code and developers. X is used and preferred by many users and application authors because it is the standard and it works. > so what is the 1 thing X does, and what is it doing well? It provides functional and well-established(accepted standard) graphics server technology/libraries for any application that uses graphics. I don't care if it takes 10 liters of blood to compile one version of X or whatever. I'm a user. All I care is that my desktop works as robustly as did it yesterday or 5 years ago. If that's not happening, I'm not interested in macros, classes, variables, declarations, structs, or any other geeky CS technobabble. That's irrelevant. And a product that advertises itself as being created to be convenient for the people developing it is a paradox. Don't develop it, then. Makes things even easier. -- from https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-25-wayland-vs-xorg.html https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-25-wayland-vs-xor...