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> Apple breaks compatibility at much faster rate than Linux world, and everyone is fine with it. That's news to me. I have yet to read or hear the sentence "re

> Apple breaks compatibility at much faster rate than Linux world, and everyone is fine with it. That's news to me. I have yet to read or hear the sentence "removal of magsafe was a great idea", or "I love carrying around this bag of $50 USB-C adapters". Or "this touchbar sure is a gamechanger, who needs the F-row on a Pro device anyway". > Apple decides and does. And Linux decides not to break everything just because they got a new favorite technology. I am not sure why you complain so much about Ubuntu when you can just use another distro that does things differently. Because unlike with Apple, you actually can choose, and without buying new hardware. Which is also the reason I'm not that invested in the whole Xorg vs. Wayland debate; I am certain one distro or another will still support Xorg for a long time, and who knows, maybe one day Wayland is actually mature enough for me to use out of the box.

vetinari 6y ago
> That's news to me. I have yet to read or hear the sentence "removal of magsafe was a great idea", or "I love carrying around this bag of $50 USB-C adapters". Or "this touchbar sure is a gamechanger, who needs the F-row on a Pro device anyway". I'm not talking about hardware. I'm talking about software. How they changed the network filtering several times in last 5 years. How they deprecated and removed i386 support during the same timeframe that Ubuntu only considers switching to Wayland. Heck, my ~2015 Samsung MFP in office doesn't scan with MacOS anymore, apparently the latest driver from September 2020 is too old now. And bazillion other examples, see them in sibling thread. > I am not sure why you complain so much about Ubuntu when you can just use another distro that does things differently. I do use another distro that does things differently. To problem with Ubuntu is, that application developers do target Ubuntu, not those another distros. So when Ubuntu doesn't need Wayland (or Pipewire, or whatever), they won't allocate manpower for Wayland (or Pipewire, or whatever) support. Then we get stuff like "Wayland is still broken after 10 years". > I'am certain one distro or another will still support Xorg for a long time, That's certainly fine > and who knows, maybe one day Wayland is actually mature enough for me to use out of the box. In order to mature, it has to be used by critically-sized amount of users. If you just push it aside, it will stay aside. It is not just Wayland's problem, for another example see ARM support under Windows.

vetinari 6y ago

> That's news to me. I have yet to read or hear the sentence "removal of magsafe was a great idea", or "I love carrying around this bag of $50 USB-C adapters". Or "this touchbar sure is a gamechanger, who needs the F-row on a Pro device anyway". I'm not talking about hardware. I'm talking about software. How they changed the network filtering several times in last 5 years. How they deprecated and removed i386 support during the same timeframe that Ubuntu only considers switching to Wayland. Heck, my ~2015 Samsung MFP in office doesn't scan with MacOS anymore, apparently the latest driver from September 2020 is too old now. And bazillion other examples, see them in sibling thread. > I am not sure why you complain so much about Ubuntu when you can just use another distro that does things differently. I do use another distro that does things differently. To problem with Ubuntu is, that application developers do target Ubuntu, not those another distros. So when Ubuntu doesn't need Wayland (or Pipewire, or whatever), they won't allocate manpower for Wayland (or Pipewire, or whatever) support. Then we get stuff like "Wayland is still broken after 10 years". > I'am certain one distro or another will still support Xorg for a long time, That's certainly fine > and who knows, maybe one day Wayland is actually mature enough for me to use out of the box. In order to mature, it has to be used by critically-sized amount of users. If you just push it aside, it will stay aside. It is not just Wayland's problem, for another example see ARM support under Windows.