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> User services only really make sense for user stuff that requires more complex set up and tear down than start foo and kill it when I log out. > > Creating a

by gspr 6y ago

> User services only really make sense for user stuff that requires more complex set up and tear down than start foo and kill it when I log out. > > Creating a user service per single line exec foo is extra ceremony. Then go with the parent post's other suggestion: a simple startup script that ends with launching Sway. > I have nvidia hardware so sway makes no sense for me to use. I mean the fact that Nvidia refuses to play by the rules, making their hardware unusable with Wayland, is a well-established thing by now. > Also it's developer is extremely abrasive. Is he? He has strong opinions and doesn't beat around the bush, but does that really matter unless you yourself actually want to develop Sway? > Is there anyway that sway does better than i3? I actually haven't tried i3, but on the face of it I would say that it's an advantage of Sway that it can run without the gigantic and increasingly unmaintainable legacy system that is X. You can certainly run X without problems today, but isn't it widely agreed that X doesn't exactly have a bright future? Sway is not tied to X's future.

michaelmrose 6y ago
I asked you to name even one thing sway did better and you tell me about the nature of the legacy code base. No user on earth cares any more than they care about the sharpness of the blades used to grind the sausage they ate for breakfast. I'm not sure why you imagine that nvidia is obligated to support Linux in the fashion you would prefer. I bought the hardware based on the existing drivers working well under Linux and windows not love for them or idealogy. This is why most people buy things. X11s future departure seems like a thin justification seeing as it's future seems pretty secure for the next decade. Maybe by 2030 there will be a compelling case for switching plus hopefully the kinks will have been worked out courtesy of folks like yourself.
- gspr 6y ago
  > I asked you to name even one thing sway did better and you tell me about the nature of the legacy code base. OK, let me rephrase it: a feature it has over i3 is a higher probability of running on the platform provided by most distros in 5 years' time. > No user on earth cares any more than they care about the sharpness of the blades used to grind the sausage they ate for breakfast. Indeed. But if you're choosing a sausage you wanna have for breakfast for the next few years, you might choose better than the one made from the animal that people fear might go extinct. > I'm not sure why you imagine that nvidia is obligated to support Linux in the fashion you would prefer. Oh not the fashion I prefer. The fashion the Linux developers prefer. Most other providers of hardware seem to. What makes Nvidia special? > X11s future departure seems like a thin justification seeing as it's future seems pretty secure for the next decade. Perhaps. You may well be proven right, but I wouldn't bet that X11 is able to attract sufficient manpower to keep up going forward. Time will tell. I'm not trying to convert you. I'm trying to give one argument why Sway might offer something that i3 doesn't.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Rhel 8 which includes x11 ends on 2029, extended support on 2031. No word on whether red hat will be able to get rid of x11 by 2023/4 or whenever the next major release is and end up supporting it until 2036ish.

by gspr 6y ago

michaelmrose 6y ago

I asked you to name even one thing sway did better and you tell me about the nature of the legacy code base. No user on earth cares any more than they care about the sharpness of the blades used to grind the sausage they ate for breakfast. I'm not sure why you imagine that nvidia is obligated to support Linux in the fashion you would prefer. I bought the hardware based on the existing drivers working well under Linux and windows not love for them or idealogy. This is why most people buy things. X11s future departure seems like a thin justification seeing as it's future seems pretty secure for the next decade. Maybe by 2030 there will be a compelling case for switching plus hopefully the kinks will have been worked out courtesy of folks like yourself.

gspr 6y ago
> I asked you to name even one thing sway did better and you tell me about the nature of the legacy code base. OK, let me rephrase it: a feature it has over i3 is a higher probability of running on the platform provided by most distros in 5 years' time. > No user on earth cares any more than they care about the sharpness of the blades used to grind the sausage they ate for breakfast. Indeed. But if you're choosing a sausage you wanna have for breakfast for the next few years, you might choose better than the one made from the animal that people fear might go extinct. > I'm not sure why you imagine that nvidia is obligated to support Linux in the fashion you would prefer. Oh not the fashion I prefer. The fashion the Linux developers prefer. Most other providers of hardware seem to. What makes Nvidia special? > X11s future departure seems like a thin justification seeing as it's future seems pretty secure for the next decade. Perhaps. You may well be proven right, but I wouldn't bet that X11 is able to attract sufficient manpower to keep up going forward. Time will tell. I'm not trying to convert you. I'm trying to give one argument why Sway might offer something that i3 doesn't.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  Rhel 8 which includes x11 ends on 2029, extended support on 2031. No word on whether red hat will be able to get rid of x11 by 2023/4 or whenever the next major release is and end up supporting it until 2036ish.