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>if this is really the future of desktop Linux, why doesn't it gain more momentum? Nvidia is the major blocker here and there is very little wayland devs can d

>if this is really the future of desktop Linux, why doesn't it gain more momentum? Nvidia is the major blocker here and there is very little wayland devs can do to fix this. Fedora has actively discouraged using the proprietary nvidia driver for a while now and they ship wayland by default since the open source driver works fine. I saw that ubuntu is also shipping wayland by default soon for amd and intel users.

Nursie 6y ago
How is the open source driver when it comes to compute and 3d gaming? Just interested if it works OK.
- canofbars 6y ago
  Its extremely slow and does not support CUDA. I think the problem is nvidia blocks them somehow from changing the clock speed on the gpu so it gets stuck running in its slowest speed.
  - Nursie 6y ago
    That's a shame, I enjoy playing with ML so having no CUDA available is a bit of a showstopper there. For graphics I'd like to switch to AMD, but right now you just can't buy their higher end consumer cards.
    - deadbunny 6y ago
      To be fair you can't buy any 3000 series Nvidia card either.
      - Nursie 6y ago
        Quite true! Let's be balanced about it. In this case I already have a 2080Ti, which gives my previous comment context. If I was starting from scratch then, well, I'd be stuffed either way :)
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severino 6y ago
> Nvidia is the major blocker here and there is very little wayland devs can do to fix this I know, but it can be difficult to understand. I mean, how come we currently have Nvidia drivers for Linux, which work pretty well, and they can't be used for Wayland?
- turminal 6y ago
  Because the entire linux graphics community uses the same API (GBM) and wayland is mostly built around that, but Nvidia insists on not using it for some reason.
  - mnd999 6y ago
    As I understand it, they’re not allowed to use it - the APIs are GPL only. They would have to open-source their entire driver.
  - severino 6y ago
    Yes, but why is it not a problem for X.org? Can't Wayland be made to work using whatever Nvidia is currently providing? I guess I read it is, and even something (KDE maybe?) made it possible to run Wayland under proprietary Nvidia, so I don't really understand what's the problem.

Nursie 6y ago

How is the open source driver when it comes to compute and 3d gaming? Just interested if it works OK.

canofbars 6y ago
Its extremely slow and does not support CUDA. I think the problem is nvidia blocks them somehow from changing the clock speed on the gpu so it gets stuck running in its slowest speed.
- Nursie 6y ago
  That's a shame, I enjoy playing with ML so having no CUDA available is a bit of a showstopper there. For graphics I'd like to switch to AMD, but right now you just can't buy their higher end consumer cards.
  - deadbunny 6y ago
    To be fair you can't buy any 3000 series Nvidia card either.
    - Nursie 6y ago
      Quite true! Let's be balanced about it. In this case I already have a 2080Ti, which gives my previous comment context. If I was starting from scratch then, well, I'd be stuffed either way :)
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severino 6y ago

> Nvidia is the major blocker here and there is very little wayland devs can do to fix this I know, but it can be difficult to understand. I mean, how come we currently have Nvidia drivers for Linux, which work pretty well, and they can't be used for Wayland?

turminal 6y ago
Because the entire linux graphics community uses the same API (GBM) and wayland is mostly built around that, but Nvidia insists on not using it for some reason.
- mnd999 6y ago
  As I understand it, they’re not allowed to use it - the APIs are GPL only. They would have to open-source their entire driver.
- severino 6y ago
  Yes, but why is it not a problem for X.org? Can't Wayland be made to work using whatever Nvidia is currently providing? I guess I read it is, and even something (KDE maybe?) made it possible to run Wayland under proprietary Nvidia, so I don't really understand what's the problem.