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Wayland doesn't even work for me, so I guess I don't have such problems. I'm not really into the actual arguments between NVidia and Wayland folks, but I suspec

by _a1_ 6y ago

Wayland doesn't even work for me, so I guess I don't have such problems. I'm not really into the actual arguments between NVidia and Wayland folks, but I suspect it's something like "they don't want to bow to us, therefore we don't want to work with them" from both sides. Like a kindergarten ;)

cies 6y ago
Only Nvidia has a history of being uncollaborative to open source: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=linus+nvidia https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=lin... At some point, even in kindergarten, some kid's just being an ass.
- _a1_ 6y ago
  That's part of what I'm talking about. Giving a 'f you' sign on a public conference is not professional at all. I mean I know that it's Linus who did it, and we all like Linus, so we give him a free pass with his sh-ttalk, at the same time when we would condemn anyone else who uses such rhetoric who isn't Linus, but in closed-source software development world such clashes happen all the time, each month. Whether a software project in such environment is a success or failure depends on whether people will get along with each other, or not. In case of Nvidia/Wayland I think that simply people just don't want to get along each other.
  - cies 6y ago
    Yeah when two parties fights, two are to blame. /s Sorry, I'm picking sides here. :)
dbrgn 6y ago
It's more like "Nvidia claims they support a certain API, but it's utterly broken, and developers are rightfully fed up with that".
- p_l 6y ago
  Having talked with some multimedia developers, EGLStreams is actually the better API, but it's nVidia's and thus disliked, whereas the other side wants you to use DRM-specific buffer sharing mechanisms... which won't work for non-DRM driver like nVidia (and then there's IIRC some licensing issues that mean nVidia can't use DRM, and so on).
- _a1_ 6y ago
  I thought that software development was about finding solutions to problems, not escalating existing problems and demanding changes so we don't have to adapt.

by _a1_ 6y ago

cies 6y ago

Only Nvidia has a history of being uncollaborative to open source: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=linus+nvidia https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=lin... At some point, even in kindergarten, some kid's just being an ass.

_a1_ 6y ago
That's part of what I'm talking about. Giving a 'f you' sign on a public conference is not professional at all. I mean I know that it's Linus who did it, and we all like Linus, so we give him a free pass with his sh-ttalk, at the same time when we would condemn anyone else who uses such rhetoric who isn't Linus, but in closed-source software development world such clashes happen all the time, each month. Whether a software project in such environment is a success or failure depends on whether people will get along with each other, or not. In case of Nvidia/Wayland I think that simply people just don't want to get along each other.
- cies 6y ago
  Yeah when two parties fights, two are to blame. /s Sorry, I'm picking sides here. :)

dbrgn 6y ago

It's more like "Nvidia claims they support a certain API, but it's utterly broken, and developers are rightfully fed up with that".

p_l 6y ago
Having talked with some multimedia developers, EGLStreams is actually the better API, but it's nVidia's and thus disliked, whereas the other side wants you to use DRM-specific buffer sharing mechanisms... which won't work for non-DRM driver like nVidia (and then there's IIRC some licensing issues that mean nVidia can't use DRM, and so on).
_a1_ 6y ago
I thought that software development was about finding solutions to problems, not escalating existing problems and demanding changes so we don't have to adapt.