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Apparently you can avoid this entirely just by letting low level managers negotiate compensation instead of having a general rule across the board like Google.

Apparently you can avoid this entirely just by letting low level managers negotiate compensation instead of having a general rule across the board like Google. Also apparently it helps to say that paying workers as little as possible (including paying women as little as possible) is a key aspect of your business. > Oracle is budget conscience and seeks to make money, but there is no evidence that this is driven by discriminatory intent or that Oracle intentionally discriminates in order to save money. > Lower-level managers are the primary decision makers in compensation outcomes and the potential mechanisms of discrimination that are available to Oracle's higher-level executives and HR personnel (budgeting, instructions, approvals) are not likely means for the sort of discrimination alleged. https://www.hrdive.com/news/judge-shuts-down-labor-department-400-oracle-pay-bias-suit/585993/ https://www.hrdive.com/news/judge-shuts-down-labor-departmen...

jimbob45 6y ago
Even better, farm the job out to a recruitment agency and let them do all that unpleasant and illegal discrimination for you.
- minot 6y ago
  I swear if I got a nickel for every time a recruiter cold calls me, asks nine hundred questions, gets me to commit to a slot for interview, and then calls me back to say they need my full date of birth and social security number to submit, I’d already have two nickels last week.
waiseristy 6y ago
You should include the previous line on that second quote >there is no plausible mechanism for systemic discrimination by the alleged wrongdoers. Lower-level managers... If the suit is about systematic bias, this seems to be a pretty good line of reasoning. Complete chaos in compensation outcomes == no bias, or at least if there is, it's probably not coming from the top down
- username90 6y ago
  Right, you can protect yourself against charges by just delegating all discrimination to low level managers. You don't have to tell them to discriminate, they do that all on their own! But seriously, if you can't pin that kind of discrimination on upper managers you will never be able to root it out.
  - User23 6y ago
    There are plenty of Silicon Valley companies where South Asian upper management near exclusively hires South Asian engineers
    - dietr1ch 6y ago
      I think it's a language thing, were they are indeed more productive if they use their native languages at work. It's a tough situation because there's already regulation against enforcing a language in the workplace.
      - alisonkisk 6y ago
        What? My company conducts business in English by policy.
  - trhway 6y ago
    >if you can't pin <> on upper managers you will never be able to root it out. that how mafia works :) An that is how Uber broke local governments medalion control.
  - waiseristy 6y ago
    Oh totally, this is a perfect example of the dissolution of responsibility that corporations are known for. It's obviously more difficult to attack the 5,000 headed low-level hydra, so that's where the "controversial" decisions get made. Genius!
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  No. "Systemic" means a problem throughout the system, regardless of design. For example, systemic infection. "Systematic" means creating a plan or system to do it. "Disparate impact" is a legal theory for proving systemic discrimination.

jimbob45 6y ago

Even better, farm the job out to a recruitment agency and let them do all that unpleasant and illegal discrimination for you.

minot 6y ago
I swear if I got a nickel for every time a recruiter cold calls me, asks nine hundred questions, gets me to commit to a slot for interview, and then calls me back to say they need my full date of birth and social security number to submit, I’d already have two nickels last week.

waiseristy 6y ago

You should include the previous line on that second quote >there is no plausible mechanism for systemic discrimination by the alleged wrongdoers. Lower-level managers... If the suit is about systematic bias, this seems to be a pretty good line of reasoning. Complete chaos in compensation outcomes == no bias, or at least if there is, it's probably not coming from the top down

username90 6y ago
Right, you can protect yourself against charges by just delegating all discrimination to low level managers. You don't have to tell them to discriminate, they do that all on their own! But seriously, if you can't pin that kind of discrimination on upper managers you will never be able to root it out.
- User23 6y ago
  There are plenty of Silicon Valley companies where South Asian upper management near exclusively hires South Asian engineers
  - dietr1ch 6y ago
    I think it's a language thing, were they are indeed more productive if they use their native languages at work. It's a tough situation because there's already regulation against enforcing a language in the workplace.
    - alisonkisk 6y ago
      What? My company conducts business in English by policy.
- trhway 6y ago
  >if you can't pin <> on upper managers you will never be able to root it out. that how mafia works :) An that is how Uber broke local governments medalion control.
- waiseristy 6y ago
  Oh totally, this is a perfect example of the dissolution of responsibility that corporations are known for. It's obviously more difficult to attack the 5,000 headed low-level hydra, so that's where the "controversial" decisions get made. Genius!
alisonkisk 6y ago
No. "Systemic" means a problem throughout the system, regardless of design. For example, systemic infection. "Systematic" means creating a plan or system to do it. "Disparate impact" is a legal theory for proving systemic discrimination.