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The dream of cloud gaming, for me, is everyone gets an amazing gaming PC. I just bought a new PC, and it’s great, but it sits under my TV, unused, for 90-whate

by apozem 6y ago

The dream of cloud gaming, for me, is everyone gets an amazing gaming PC. I just bought a new PC, and it’s great, but it sits under my TV, unused, for 90-whatever percent of its life. If you can deliver cloud gaming as a complete product that actually offers value, the potential efficiency is staggering.

rolph 6y ago
if you can allow users to load the code out of the cloud and or the user swarm ; onto thier machine and then dissconnect from the cloud, the potential efficiency is even more staggering.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Huh? That brings us right back to “everyone needs a hefty at-home computing device that goes underutilized most of the time”?
  - omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
    Maybe they're referring to using individual computers as part of the cluster of boxes providing streaming gaming, like distributed computing projects.
    - rolph 6y ago
      yes that is part of the reference.
  - p1necone 6y ago
    I suspect the comment was tongue in cheek. "Cloud gaming will eventually come full circle and we'll be gaming on native hardware locally again"
  - Qwertious 6y ago
    I could see an argument here - use the home-computer at home, but use Stadia on the train or while camping or such.
- deleted 6y ago
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baron816 6y ago
I bought an Xbox just so I could play Red Dead Redemption 2. Had Stadia been around, or had I been interested in Cyberpunk, I would certainly play on that. I still think it’s a good idea, with a lot of people falling into the “who is this for” camp, and very well could eventually be very successful. My impression is that it just needs more time to mature. If we were talking about some saas product, those rough edges and missing features wouldn’t be a big deal. Everyone here would be saying “yeah, it’s an MVP that they needed to get into market to test things out. It’s improving incrementally.” But because it’s video game related, people’s expectations are that it finished and perfect the day it launches.
- riversflow 6y ago
  I don’t think Stadia is truly an MVP. It’s a Google MVP, it doesn’t have to be truly viable, only viable to google middle management looking for a promotion. That’s what people are lamenting, you can’t role out a competitive gaming platform with such a small catalog of titles. >I bought an Xbox to play Red Dead Redemption 2 . . . lots of people falling into the “who this is for” camp Those people appear to be “casual/occasional gamers”? I am very doubtful that this group will really turn into a cash cow. $10.00/month is enough that few are going to keep a subscription after they are done playing. If you amortize a console over a lifetime of 4 years it would be considerably cheaper than paying for stadia if you consider the current $75 upfront cost. So the way I see it, for stadia to be viable there would have to be a steady stream of AAA titles(because otherwise the need for cloud compute is questionable) produced by 3rd party studios...this just doesn’t exist, titles like RDR2 & CP2077 are an exception. We only saw a handful of titles that demanding and hyped come from a non-Microsoft, non-Sony published studio in the last decade. I’m not in the game dev world, but producing these types of titles seems to be exceptionally difficult, and the trend seems to be less and less AAA titles per year as the complexity compounds. Combined with stadia’s limited selection, Google’s history of product abandonment, and that you often have to purchase stadia specific versions of titles to play them on the platform. It’s a difficult pill to swallow. Nvidia’s product, GeForce Now, where titles are portable seems like a much more viable product to me.
  - ThatPlayer 6y ago
cush 6y ago
Have you ever tried stadia? It's incredible 99.9% of the time. But that 0.1%... I thought I could put up with a few frame drops in Metro, but it just sucks you out of the game.
- baby 6y ago
  Like when your own computer starts lagging?
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Yes, but more frequently and unpredictably, at whatever resolution...
    - baby 6y ago
      I see. I guess you really need a good connection. To be honest I’m surprised at how well Playstation Now worked
- bashwizard 6y ago
  I tried Stadia this christmas and while I'm not surprised, I'm disappointed. Everyone says that it runs well, no input lag, great picture quality and so on. But that was a lie. While playing Destiny 2 and Hitman on a laptop running Ubuntu and over wifi with a controller, it felt ok-ish. Almost on par with playing on a Xbox Series X but not quite there. However, when I tried the same games on my gaming rig, on a 1 Gbit fiber connection with a mouse and keyboard it was completely unplayable for me. The input lag is just too high for me to enjoy the experience. On top of that the picture quality is pretty bad compared to running the same game on your own machine at 4K. My conclusion is that Stadia will not replace a high end gaming rig for the type of gamer with higher demands. I even doubt it will replace xbox or playstation for the console players.
  - xxs 6y ago
    >Almost on par with playing on a Xbox Series X That's pretty low bar to clear
sp332 6y ago
I've been using GeForce Now, the main advantage being that I will still own my games if they ever cancel the service. For now it's only $5/month and includes ray-tracing capable hardware, but I doubt it will be that price for long.
- nr2x 6y ago
  On the flip side games I bought to play on GFN got pulled with no warning.
vadym909 6y ago
Opposite. My kid built a gaming PC and uses it for school from home and gaming from 7am-9pm or 90% of his waking hours
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  That doesn't sound healthy.
  - NobodyNada 6y ago
    Perhaps not. But I'm in a similar boat: with remote lectures, online homework, work-from-home, and not being able to go places with friends, we don't exactly get much of a choice. COVID sucks, but at least vadym909's kid has been able to make the most of it by investing in a usable setup and gaining some valuable hands-on experience with computers.
  - dietr1ch 6y ago
    Sounds like a regular kid with free access to a good computer. IMO the only outstanding part there is that he gets up at 7am

by apozem 6y ago

rolph 6y ago

if you can allow users to load the code out of the cloud and or the user swarm ; onto thier machine and then dissconnect from the cloud, the potential efficiency is even more staggering.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Huh? That brings us right back to “everyone needs a hefty at-home computing device that goes underutilized most of the time”?
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
  Maybe they're referring to using individual computers as part of the cluster of boxes providing streaming gaming, like distributed computing projects.
  - rolph 6y ago
    yes that is part of the reference.
- p1necone 6y ago
  I suspect the comment was tongue in cheek. "Cloud gaming will eventually come full circle and we'll be gaming on native hardware locally again"
- Qwertious 6y ago
  I could see an argument here - use the home-computer at home, but use Stadia on the train or while camping or such.
deleted 6y ago
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baron816 6y ago

I bought an Xbox just so I could play Red Dead Redemption 2. Had Stadia been around, or had I been interested in Cyberpunk, I would certainly play on that. I still think it’s a good idea, with a lot of people falling into the “who is this for” camp, and very well could eventually be very successful. My impression is that it just needs more time to mature. If we were talking about some saas product, those rough edges and missing features wouldn’t be a big deal. Everyone here would be saying “yeah, it’s an MVP that they needed to get into market to test things out. It’s improving incrementally.” But because it’s video game related, people’s expectations are that it finished and perfect the day it launches.

riversflow 6y ago
I don’t think Stadia is truly an MVP. It’s a Google MVP, it doesn’t have to be truly viable, only viable to google middle management looking for a promotion. That’s what people are lamenting, you can’t role out a competitive gaming platform with such a small catalog of titles. >I bought an Xbox to play Red Dead Redemption 2 . . . lots of people falling into the “who this is for” camp Those people appear to be “casual/occasional gamers”? I am very doubtful that this group will really turn into a cash cow. $10.00/month is enough that few are going to keep a subscription after they are done playing. If you amortize a console over a lifetime of 4 years it would be considerably cheaper than paying for stadia if you consider the current $75 upfront cost. So the way I see it, for stadia to be viable there would have to be a steady stream of AAA titles(because otherwise the need for cloud compute is questionable) produced by 3rd party studios...this just doesn’t exist, titles like RDR2 & CP2077 are an exception. We only saw a handful of titles that demanding and hyped come from a non-Microsoft, non-Sony published studio in the last decade. I’m not in the game dev world, but producing these types of titles seems to be exceptionally difficult, and the trend seems to be less and less AAA titles per year as the complexity compounds. Combined with stadia’s limited selection, Google’s history of product abandonment, and that you often have to purchase stadia specific versions of titles to play them on the platform. It’s a difficult pill to swallow. Nvidia’s product, GeForce Now, where titles are portable seems like a much more viable product to me.
- ThatPlayer 6y ago

cush 6y ago

Have you ever tried stadia? It's incredible 99.9% of the time. But that 0.1%... I thought I could put up with a few frame drops in Metro, but it just sucks you out of the game.

baby 6y ago
Like when your own computer starts lagging?
- coldtea 6y ago
  Yes, but more frequently and unpredictably, at whatever resolution...
  - baby 6y ago
    I see. I guess you really need a good connection. To be honest I’m surprised at how well Playstation Now worked
bashwizard 6y ago
I tried Stadia this christmas and while I'm not surprised, I'm disappointed. Everyone says that it runs well, no input lag, great picture quality and so on. But that was a lie. While playing Destiny 2 and Hitman on a laptop running Ubuntu and over wifi with a controller, it felt ok-ish. Almost on par with playing on a Xbox Series X but not quite there. However, when I tried the same games on my gaming rig, on a 1 Gbit fiber connection with a mouse and keyboard it was completely unplayable for me. The input lag is just too high for me to enjoy the experience. On top of that the picture quality is pretty bad compared to running the same game on your own machine at 4K. My conclusion is that Stadia will not replace a high end gaming rig for the type of gamer with higher demands. I even doubt it will replace xbox or playstation for the console players.
- xxs 6y ago
  >Almost on par with playing on a Xbox Series X That's pretty low bar to clear

sp332 6y ago

I've been using GeForce Now, the main advantage being that I will still own my games if they ever cancel the service. For now it's only $5/month and includes ray-tracing capable hardware, but I doubt it will be that price for long.

nr2x 6y ago
On the flip side games I bought to play on GFN got pulled with no warning.

vadym909 6y ago

Opposite. My kid built a gaming PC and uses it for school from home and gaming from 7am-9pm or 90% of his waking hours

alisonkisk 6y ago
That doesn't sound healthy.
- NobodyNada 6y ago
  Perhaps not. But I'm in a similar boat: with remote lectures, online homework, work-from-home, and not being able to go places with friends, we don't exactly get much of a choice. COVID sucks, but at least vadym909's kid has been able to make the most of it by investing in a usable setup and gaining some valuable hands-on experience with computers.
- dietr1ch 6y ago
  Sounds like a regular kid with free access to a good computer. IMO the only outstanding part there is that he gets up at 7am