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I'll repeat what I said: "the value prop needs to focus on the job at hand: playing a _specific_ game which happens to be your favorite game you play mostly. Th

I'll repeat what I said: "the value prop needs to focus on the job at hand: playing a _specific_ game which happens to be your favorite game you play mostly. Thinking of it as some kind of a gaming platform is not the way." By considering Steam and Epic, you are already looking at this from the perspective of a platform. I am simply saying Stadia is better if the game you love is already there. NFL Madden is the latest Stadia promo right now. If most of your gaming time is consumed playing Madden, Stadia is probably the way to pay for it.

oivey 6y ago
Madden isn’t available on GeForce Now apparently, but besides that I don’t think you’ve explained why Stadia is better. On Stadia and GeForce Now, you pay a subscription fee and pay for the game. Is it something about the Stadia hardware that makes it better?
- enos_feedler 6y ago
  Yes. Stadia does not assume you know how to use a gaming PC. Steam and Epic might be fine if you already know what those things are. If you don't, it is far too complex. Billions of people understand the simple app store model that comes with their phone. It's the one stadia uses.
  - oivey 6y ago
    Steam and Epic are literally app stores. I guess you have to link an extra account to use it with GeForce Now? For that minuscule amount of extra friction you get access to a much larger set of games on stores that won’t shut down when Google gets bored in a year or two. edit: in what way does Steam or Epic expect you to understand how to use a “gaming PC”?
    - enos_feedler 6y ago
      In the way that those are apps that gamers install on their gaming pc.
      - oivey 6y ago
        Can you elaborate? You don’t need to install Steam or the game to play that game on GeForce Now.
      - p1necone 6y ago
        You're not making any sense to me. Steam is just an app store. A "gaming PC" is just a regular PC with more powerful hardware in it, using software on it does not take any special skills specific to gaming PCs. And as the other commenter points out, playing steam games via geforce now doesn't even require installing the steam app anyway, it's just an account link.
        blueblisters 6y ago
        I am struggling to find an analogy but here goes. I think it's like the difference between a console in the cloud v/s a gaming pc in the cloud. For casual gamers, a console in the cloud with minimal configuration - switch it on and start playing - makes the most sense. If GeForce Now is a hosted gaming PC, I assume running a Windows O/S, it likely has the same configuration overhead of PC games, which most casual gamers don't want to deal with.
  - jeremyjh 6y ago
    Have you ever used Steam on Geforce Now? There is absolutely no friction. You do not even have to know Steam exists. You just search for the game you want, and do one more sign-up.
    - enos_feedler 6y ago
      I have. I used Geforce now, stadia, luna. I bought the hardware controllers. I've tried all of these platforms across all different form factors (pcs, laptop, ipads, iphones, android, LG television). I've signed up for individual games, game publisher channels UBISoft+. I invest millions of dollars into companies and my thesis is product driven. All of this is research I conduct myself, for myself. That isn't to say these services have gotten better since I last tested (Geforce i probably tested in November). From what I remember, it was a PC virtual machine with a queue system for availability. It wasn't "magic". Stadia is magic. Luna is somewhere in between.
- Aunche 6y ago
  On Stadia, you just have to pay for the game. The subscription just unlocks HD and some free games. The fact that few people are aware of this really highlights how terribly Google marketed this.
gsich 6y ago
Xcloud or Geforcenow offer the best of both worlds. You "own" (in whatever sense you can "own" the game) the game and you have the choice where you want to play it. Not at home/cheap notebook? No problem. With Stadia you can only stream the game.
- enos_feedler 6y ago
  The question for me is if it works on a cheap notebook or on the road, why wouldn't you just want to play it this way even when you are at home? Why do I want to own anything? I just want to play the games I bought.
  - gsich 6y ago
    Not possible with Stadia. You have to buy the games again to stream them. Why? Probably less latency/better quality with a PC.
    - enos_feedler 6y ago
      Is Cyberpunk better on a PC or better on Stadia? I've heard it's the best to play on Stadia.
      - p1necone 6y ago
        Cyberpunk on Stadia is the PC version, it's just running on hardware in a server farm somewhere, rather than under your desk. Afaik they didn't make any meaningful Stadia specific changes to it. Obviously it depends on how well your local hardware compares to Stadias server farm too. The PC and Stadia versions are much better than the PS4 and Xbox One versions though - those do not run well at all. I suspect the actual PS5 and Xbox Series X versions will be relatively similar to the PC/Stadia version, but they haven't been released yet - you can only play the last gen console versions via backwards compatibility.
  - p1necone 6y ago
    Because playing with video compression, a max of 60fps and added latency is not ideal.

oivey 6y ago

Madden isn’t available on GeForce Now apparently, but besides that I don’t think you’ve explained why Stadia is better. On Stadia and GeForce Now, you pay a subscription fee and pay for the game. Is it something about the Stadia hardware that makes it better?

enos_feedler 6y ago
Yes. Stadia does not assume you know how to use a gaming PC. Steam and Epic might be fine if you already know what those things are. If you don't, it is far too complex. Billions of people understand the simple app store model that comes with their phone. It's the one stadia uses.
- oivey 6y ago
  Steam and Epic are literally app stores. I guess you have to link an extra account to use it with GeForce Now? For that minuscule amount of extra friction you get access to a much larger set of games on stores that won’t shut down when Google gets bored in a year or two. edit: in what way does Steam or Epic expect you to understand how to use a “gaming PC”?
  - enos_feedler 6y ago
    In the way that those are apps that gamers install on their gaming pc.
    - oivey 6y ago
      Can you elaborate? You don’t need to install Steam or the game to play that game on GeForce Now.
    - p1necone 6y ago
      You're not making any sense to me. Steam is just an app store. A "gaming PC" is just a regular PC with more powerful hardware in it, using software on it does not take any special skills specific to gaming PCs. And as the other commenter points out, playing steam games via geforce now doesn't even require installing the steam app anyway, it's just an account link.
      - blueblisters 6y ago
        I am struggling to find an analogy but here goes. I think it's like the difference between a console in the cloud v/s a gaming pc in the cloud. For casual gamers, a console in the cloud with minimal configuration - switch it on and start playing - makes the most sense. If GeForce Now is a hosted gaming PC, I assume running a Windows O/S, it likely has the same configuration overhead of PC games, which most casual gamers don't want to deal with.
- jeremyjh 6y ago
  Have you ever used Steam on Geforce Now? There is absolutely no friction. You do not even have to know Steam exists. You just search for the game you want, and do one more sign-up.
  - enos_feedler 6y ago
    I have. I used Geforce now, stadia, luna. I bought the hardware controllers. I've tried all of these platforms across all different form factors (pcs, laptop, ipads, iphones, android, LG television). I've signed up for individual games, game publisher channels UBISoft+. I invest millions of dollars into companies and my thesis is product driven. All of this is research I conduct myself, for myself. That isn't to say these services have gotten better since I last tested (Geforce i probably tested in November). From what I remember, it was a PC virtual machine with a queue system for availability. It wasn't "magic". Stadia is magic. Luna is somewhere in between.
Aunche 6y ago
On Stadia, you just have to pay for the game. The subscription just unlocks HD and some free games. The fact that few people are aware of this really highlights how terribly Google marketed this.

gsich 6y ago

Xcloud or Geforcenow offer the best of both worlds. You "own" (in whatever sense you can "own" the game) the game and you have the choice where you want to play it. Not at home/cheap notebook? No problem. With Stadia you can only stream the game.

enos_feedler 6y ago
The question for me is if it works on a cheap notebook or on the road, why wouldn't you just want to play it this way even when you are at home? Why do I want to own anything? I just want to play the games I bought.
- gsich 6y ago
  Not possible with Stadia. You have to buy the games again to stream them. Why? Probably less latency/better quality with a PC.
  - enos_feedler 6y ago
    Is Cyberpunk better on a PC or better on Stadia? I've heard it's the best to play on Stadia.
    - p1necone 6y ago
      Cyberpunk on Stadia is the PC version, it's just running on hardware in a server farm somewhere, rather than under your desk. Afaik they didn't make any meaningful Stadia specific changes to it. Obviously it depends on how well your local hardware compares to Stadias server farm too. The PC and Stadia versions are much better than the PS4 and Xbox One versions though - those do not run well at all. I suspect the actual PS5 and Xbox Series X versions will be relatively similar to the PC/Stadia version, but they haven't been released yet - you can only play the last gen console versions via backwards compatibility.
- p1necone 6y ago
  Because playing with video compression, a max of 60fps and added latency is not ideal.