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What counts as drug trafficking? Carrying weed across county lines?

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
In most states any amount over some small amount can be prosecuted as trafficking. I dunno what the limits are for Oregon. I'm pretty sure they get the same people who think a six pack is "binge drinking" and one range day's worth of ammo is a "stockpile" to come up with those limits.
- recursive 6y ago
  Drinking a six-pack at a time does sound kind of binge-y to me.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    Start with dinner at 6 and go to bed at 9 and that's 2/hr. Not exactly keg stands and jungle juice territory. The human body processes 1-2 drinks/hr so at the end you'll have a buzz on the order of one stiff mixed drink (~3-4 shots of stuff in the 40% ballpark spread out over a tall glass of sugary fruity stuff). Edit: And since apparently this needs saying "drink" = "the standard alcohol/drink unit that all the professionals who measure this stuff use"
    - recursive 6y ago
      I have no doubt that much higher levels of consumption are possible. I don't really have a position on what "binge" should mean, but that doesn't exactly sound like it's not. Could just be my perspective. I probably drink most days. Usually one beer. Rarely, I might have two in a day. I can't remember that last time I had more than that.
      - throwawayboise 6y ago
        I roughly define binge as any amount of drinking that leaves you with a hangover the next day. That usually indicates that you have consumed enough to lose your judgment on when to stop.
        leesalminen 6y ago
        That’s a similar heuristic to what I use to define binge drinking. It doesn’t have to mean drinking a 30 rack in an evening.
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      “1-2 drinks/hr” is not a well defined metric. It’s better to use units of alcohol: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alcohol-units/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc... And more than 1 5% beer is outside of almost all people’s ability to “process” in an hour. I would wager the majority of people based on size/weight can’t process a single 5% beer in an hour.
      - QuercusMax 6y ago
        When people are drinking 6-packs, it's much more likely to be Coors Light (4.2%) than something like an Arrogant Bastard. According to 5 seconds of googling, the typical weight of an American man in 2016 was 197lbs. You might well lose your wager.
        lotsofpulp 6y ago
        My estimate was based on half of the population being women, and the fact that fat doesn’t assist with processing alcohol as much as muscle, and most American men are not exactly muscular. https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/alcohol/absorption-rate-factors/ https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/al...
        nitrogen 6y ago
        The most muscular dude I ever knew was so solely because he had so much weight to carry. Unless you are wheelchair-bound, fat necessitates at least some additional leg and core muscle.
      - ketzo 6y ago
        The original commenter might not have been using "drink" this way, but theoretically there is such a thing as a "standard drink": roughly 14 grams of pure alcohol, which is about 12oz of beer, 5oz of wine, or 1.5oz of liquor. This "standard drink" is what an average person can roughly process per hour. It's all fuzzy because of how many confounding variables there are with alcohol (and because "average person" is kind of a nonsense phrase), but there you go. Source: https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/what-standard-drink https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/overview-a...
    - DanBC 6y ago
      In the UK "binge" is defined as > 8 units of alcohol in a single session for men > 6 units of alcohol in a single session for women Assuming the beer is 5% you'd need to drink 1.6 litres to hit 8 units of alcohol. If each can / bottle is 330 ml that's 1.9 litres.
      - jjgreen 6y ago
        Only by prudes, medics and lightweights, 4 pints doesn't even come close to a binge.
    - whycombagator 6y ago
      What quantity would you say is binge drinking? Or rather, if a six pack before bed (6pm-9pm) isn’t binge drinking what quantity of beer is?
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Depends if it's piss-water or a quality stout or IPA.
    - lotsofpulp 6y ago
      A six pack of piss-water is still 12 units of alcohol, definitely far above what one should regularly consume if you want to minimize health risks: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alcohol-units/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc... My whole life I’ve been watching the “safe” amount of alcohol go down and down, study after study. The idea of casually drinking multiple beers after work every day is crazy to me.
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        Oh if we're talking about health, it's a whole other question. I was just looking at the effects of alcohol consumption. Drinking a six pack of anything every night is likely the sign you are an alcoholic.
    - ben_w 6y ago
      Despite not being a beer drinker, this feels like the right time to mention BrewDog and their ongoing battle to sell the strongest beer in the world. I first heard of this with Tactical Nuclear Penguin (32%); their latest HD Strength In Numbers, which is 57.8%. https://www.brewdog.com/eu_en/brewdog-vs-schorschbrau-strength-in-numbers-eu https://www.brewdog.com/eu_en/brewdog-vs-schorschbrau-streng...
      - S_A_P 6y ago
        I feel like they "cold brewing" process they use(at least that was what they were doing a few years ago when I read up on it) has more in common to distillation than finding high ABV tolerant yeast strains and actually brewing high gravity beer. I have taken apple cider and done a similar process to make Applejack. Its just a matter of freezing out the water/other non alcohol components. I mean, its interesting and all, but I dont really feel like its beer at that point.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  In Oregon, drinking a six pack way well be binge drinking. High alcohol content beers are pretty common.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    Indeed. Six of my favorite microbrews from Cascade Brewing and I would be very drunk. Heck, a single 750ml bottle of Sang Noir will last me a whole evening. Speaking of which, I have a bottle in the cupboard right now. Hmmmm.
ogre_codes 6y ago
It's mostly quantity limits. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/here-are-the-drug-limits-under-oregons-first-of-its-kind-decriminalization-law.html https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/here-are-the-dru... The measure makes it a noncriminal violation similar to a traffic ticket to possess the following: Less than 1 gram of heroin Less than 1 gram, or less than 5 pills, of MDMA Less than 2 grams of methamphetamine Less than 40 units of LSD Less than 12 grams of psilocybin Less than 40 units of methadone Less than 40 pills of oxycodone Less than 2 grams of cocaine The measure reduces from a felony to a misdemeanor simple possession of substances containing: 1 to 3 grams of heroin 1 to 4 grams of MDMA 2 to 8 grams of methamphetamine 2 to 8 grams of cocaine
- giantg2 6y ago
  I'm confused why people are saying non-criminal traffic tickets. In my state, traffic violations are usually summary offenses. I'm not familiar with how all the states handle it, but I haven't come across non-criminal traffic citations.
- LinuxBender 6y ago
  What is a "unit" of LSD? Is that like International Units?
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    I'm not quite sure. LSD is effective in such small quantities and it's been delivered in so many different forms I think the normal "grams"/ "ounces" metrics are irrelevant. The one time I used it, it was a single "hit" about half the size of a micro SD card and paper thin.

In most states any amount over some small amount can be prosecuted as trafficking. I dunno what the limits are for Oregon. I'm pretty sure they get the same people who think a six pack is "binge drinking" and one range day's worth of ammo is a "stockpile" to come up with those limits.

recursive 6y ago
Drinking a six-pack at a time does sound kind of binge-y to me.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  Start with dinner at 6 and go to bed at 9 and that's 2/hr. Not exactly keg stands and jungle juice territory. The human body processes 1-2 drinks/hr so at the end you'll have a buzz on the order of one stiff mixed drink (~3-4 shots of stuff in the 40% ballpark spread out over a tall glass of sugary fruity stuff). Edit: And since apparently this needs saying "drink" = "the standard alcohol/drink unit that all the professionals who measure this stuff use"
  - recursive 6y ago
    I have no doubt that much higher levels of consumption are possible. I don't really have a position on what "binge" should mean, but that doesn't exactly sound like it's not. Could just be my perspective. I probably drink most days. Usually one beer. Rarely, I might have two in a day. I can't remember that last time I had more than that.
    - throwawayboise 6y ago
      I roughly define binge as any amount of drinking that leaves you with a hangover the next day. That usually indicates that you have consumed enough to lose your judgment on when to stop.
      - leesalminen 6y ago
        That’s a similar heuristic to what I use to define binge drinking. It doesn’t have to mean drinking a 30 rack in an evening.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    “1-2 drinks/hr” is not a well defined metric. It’s better to use units of alcohol: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alcohol-units/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc... And more than 1 5% beer is outside of almost all people’s ability to “process” in an hour. I would wager the majority of people based on size/weight can’t process a single 5% beer in an hour.
    - QuercusMax 6y ago
      When people are drinking 6-packs, it's much more likely to be Coors Light (4.2%) than something like an Arrogant Bastard. According to 5 seconds of googling, the typical weight of an American man in 2016 was 197lbs. You might well lose your wager.
      - lotsofpulp 6y ago
        My estimate was based on half of the population being women, and the fact that fat doesn’t assist with processing alcohol as much as muscle, and most American men are not exactly muscular. https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/alcohol/absorption-rate-factors/ https://mcwell.nd.edu/your-well-being/physical-well-being/al...
        nitrogen 6y ago
        The most muscular dude I ever knew was so solely because he had so much weight to carry. Unless you are wheelchair-bound, fat necessitates at least some additional leg and core muscle.
    - ketzo 6y ago
      The original commenter might not have been using "drink" this way, but theoretically there is such a thing as a "standard drink": roughly 14 grams of pure alcohol, which is about 12oz of beer, 5oz of wine, or 1.5oz of liquor. This "standard drink" is what an average person can roughly process per hour. It's all fuzzy because of how many confounding variables there are with alcohol (and because "average person" is kind of a nonsense phrase), but there you go. Source: https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/what-standard-drink https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/overview-a...
  - DanBC 6y ago
    In the UK "binge" is defined as > 8 units of alcohol in a single session for men > 6 units of alcohol in a single session for women Assuming the beer is 5% you'd need to drink 1.6 litres to hit 8 units of alcohol. If each can / bottle is 330 ml that's 1.9 litres.
    - jjgreen 6y ago
      Only by prudes, medics and lightweights, 4 pints doesn't even come close to a binge.
  - whycombagator 6y ago
    What quantity would you say is binge drinking? Or rather, if a six pack before bed (6pm-9pm) isn’t binge drinking what quantity of beer is?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Depends if it's piss-water or a quality stout or IPA.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    A six pack of piss-water is still 12 units of alcohol, definitely far above what one should regularly consume if you want to minimize health risks: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alcohol-units/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc... My whole life I’ve been watching the “safe” amount of alcohol go down and down, study after study. The idea of casually drinking multiple beers after work every day is crazy to me.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      Oh if we're talking about health, it's a whole other question. I was just looking at the effects of alcohol consumption. Drinking a six pack of anything every night is likely the sign you are an alcoholic.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Despite not being a beer drinker, this feels like the right time to mention BrewDog and their ongoing battle to sell the strongest beer in the world. I first heard of this with Tactical Nuclear Penguin (32%); their latest HD Strength In Numbers, which is 57.8%. https://www.brewdog.com/eu_en/brewdog-vs-schorschbrau-strength-in-numbers-eu https://www.brewdog.com/eu_en/brewdog-vs-schorschbrau-streng...
    - S_A_P 6y ago
      I feel like they "cold brewing" process they use(at least that was what they were doing a few years ago when I read up on it) has more in common to distillation than finding high ABV tolerant yeast strains and actually brewing high gravity beer. I have taken apple cider and done a similar process to make Applejack. Its just a matter of freezing out the water/other non alcohol components. I mean, its interesting and all, but I dont really feel like its beer at that point.
ogre_codes 6y ago
In Oregon, drinking a six pack way well be binge drinking. High alcohol content beers are pretty common.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  Indeed. Six of my favorite microbrews from Cascade Brewing and I would be very drunk. Heck, a single 750ml bottle of Sang Noir will last me a whole evening. Speaking of which, I have a bottle in the cupboard right now. Hmmmm.

ogre_codes 6y ago

It's mostly quantity limits. https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/here-are-the-drug-limits-under-oregons-first-of-its-kind-decriminalization-law.html https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/here-are-the-dru... The measure makes it a noncriminal violation similar to a traffic ticket to possess the following: Less than 1 gram of heroin Less than 1 gram, or less than 5 pills, of MDMA Less than 2 grams of methamphetamine Less than 40 units of LSD Less than 12 grams of psilocybin Less than 40 units of methadone Less than 40 pills of oxycodone Less than 2 grams of cocaine The measure reduces from a felony to a misdemeanor simple possession of substances containing: 1 to 3 grams of heroin 1 to 4 grams of MDMA 2 to 8 grams of methamphetamine 2 to 8 grams of cocaine

giantg2 6y ago
I'm confused why people are saying non-criminal traffic tickets. In my state, traffic violations are usually summary offenses. I'm not familiar with how all the states handle it, but I haven't come across non-criminal traffic citations.
LinuxBender 6y ago
What is a "unit" of LSD? Is that like International Units?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I'm not quite sure. LSD is effective in such small quantities and it's been delivered in so many different forms I think the normal "grams"/ "ounces" metrics are irrelevant. The one time I used it, it was a single "hit" about half the size of a micro SD card and paper thin.