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To summarize where we're at right now: questioning the validity of elections is fascism and hate speech. I get that people might not believe those claims, but

by ttt0 6y ago

To summarize where we're at right now: questioning the validity of elections is fascism and hate speech. I get that people might not believe those claims, but just let that sink in and enjoy the future you chose.

mindslight 6y ago
Repeating the same "questioning" that has been scrutinized and litigated for three months can only be in bad faith, pointing to a different purpose. If you're genuinely unsure, learn how to understand legal briefs.
- ttt0 6y ago
  Okay, so questioning the validity of elections in bad faith is fascism and hate speech. I have nothing to complain about then. Thanks for your insightful input.
  - mindslight 6y ago
    Yes, that is the straightforward answer to your question in the context of current events. I'm sorry that you don't like it. I'm sure you have plenty to complain about. Getting derailed by mass media narratives is not the way to have your actual gripes taken seriously. It's just another system of control.
    - ttt0 6y ago
      Your answer is dishonest at best, you're trying to portray it as if they waited until it was "justified" to censor people. And that's not what happened, Twitter was banning people on the election night. Some of it was legitimate information, that was later confirmed by the media. And I know that you'd like to imagine that along the information they were posting "#StopTheSteal" and "#QAnon" and that's what got them banned, but no, it was just straightforward reporting, without any commentary. You know, something you'd normally expect from a journalist, but in our brave new world we don't believe in those standards anymore. What's funny is that most of the actual, obvious misinformation got away with a slap on the wrist (fact-check warnings) and they let it stay up. But since we never care what happens to the little guy, how about the NYPost getting locked out of their Twitter account for publishing the Hunter story? They said it was a Russian disinformation campaign and it was in bad faith too. And guess what, in that case it wasn't. So go ahead, make all the rationalizations how this is fine and see how this will work out for you, when they will come up with fake stories to justify murdering millions of people in a new war and you'll get silenced and get smeared as a fascist if you try to question it.
      - mindslight 6y ago
        > you're trying to portray it as if they waited until it was "justified" to do it No, I'm talking about how things stand right now. I've been disgusted by the position of these MITMs for well over a decade, but with the current state of affairs it seems that such censorship is inevitable. I can think of few better ways to get congresscritters to act than by threatening their own personal safety, such as the result of this months long disinformation campaign about "election irregularities". > they will come up with fake stories to justify murdering millions of people in a new war and you'll get silenced and get smeared as a fascist if you try to question it So then, the same as it's always been? But let us not confuse speaking truth to power, with speaking disinformation to authority. While there is no oracle that can discern between the two, we hope that the former slowly grows (eg many more people now see Iraq for the mistake it was than in 2003) and the latter fades out due to scrutiny. Present disinformation campaigns don't seem to be fading though, causing instability that triggers the power structure's immune system. I'm not terribly worried for actual Free communications though. Surveillance Valley was always going to eat itself one way or another.
        ttt0 6y ago
        Besides minor details, I don't really have any disagreements with you on your reading of the situation. > So then, the same as it's always been? I don't think I'd call it business as usual. A lot of clueless and naive people got involved in politics, everyone is pissed and bored at home because of Covid, censorship and violence are becoming more acceptable by the general public. And it's not just the Facebooks and Twitters of the world punishing the wrong-think, it's also the banks and usual services people use daily. Once the censorship is seen as necessary by everyone, the government potentially can implement it as a policy too. The last one is maybe too far-fetched as of right now, but who knows what the future holds. Anything can happen at this point.

by ttt0 6y ago

mindslight 6y ago

Repeating the same "questioning" that has been scrutinized and litigated for three months can only be in bad faith, pointing to a different purpose. If you're genuinely unsure, learn how to understand legal briefs.

ttt0 6y ago
Okay, so questioning the validity of elections in bad faith is fascism and hate speech. I have nothing to complain about then. Thanks for your insightful input.
- mindslight 6y ago
  Yes, that is the straightforward answer to your question in the context of current events. I'm sorry that you don't like it. I'm sure you have plenty to complain about. Getting derailed by mass media narratives is not the way to have your actual gripes taken seriously. It's just another system of control.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    Your answer is dishonest at best, you're trying to portray it as if they waited until it was "justified" to censor people. And that's not what happened, Twitter was banning people on the election night. Some of it was legitimate information, that was later confirmed by the media. And I know that you'd like to imagine that along the information they were posting "#StopTheSteal" and "#QAnon" and that's what got them banned, but no, it was just straightforward reporting, without any commentary. You know, something you'd normally expect from a journalist, but in our brave new world we don't believe in those standards anymore. What's funny is that most of the actual, obvious misinformation got away with a slap on the wrist (fact-check warnings) and they let it stay up. But since we never care what happens to the little guy, how about the NYPost getting locked out of their Twitter account for publishing the Hunter story? They said it was a Russian disinformation campaign and it was in bad faith too. And guess what, in that case it wasn't. So go ahead, make all the rationalizations how this is fine and see how this will work out for you, when they will come up with fake stories to justify murdering millions of people in a new war and you'll get silenced and get smeared as a fascist if you try to question it.
    - mindslight 6y ago
      > you're trying to portray it as if they waited until it was "justified" to do it No, I'm talking about how things stand right now. I've been disgusted by the position of these MITMs for well over a decade, but with the current state of affairs it seems that such censorship is inevitable. I can think of few better ways to get congresscritters to act than by threatening their own personal safety, such as the result of this months long disinformation campaign about "election irregularities". > they will come up with fake stories to justify murdering millions of people in a new war and you'll get silenced and get smeared as a fascist if you try to question it So then, the same as it's always been? But let us not confuse speaking truth to power, with speaking disinformation to authority. While there is no oracle that can discern between the two, we hope that the former slowly grows (eg many more people now see Iraq for the mistake it was than in 2003) and the latter fades out due to scrutiny. Present disinformation campaigns don't seem to be fading though, causing instability that triggers the power structure's immune system. I'm not terribly worried for actual Free communications though. Surveillance Valley was always going to eat itself one way or another.
      - ttt0 6y ago
        Besides minor details, I don't really have any disagreements with you on your reading of the situation. > So then, the same as it's always been? I don't think I'd call it business as usual. A lot of clueless and naive people got involved in politics, everyone is pissed and bored at home because of Covid, censorship and violence are becoming more acceptable by the general public. And it's not just the Facebooks and Twitters of the world punishing the wrong-think, it's also the banks and usual services people use daily. Once the censorship is seen as necessary by everyone, the government potentially can implement it as a policy too. The last one is maybe too far-fetched as of right now, but who knows what the future holds. Anything can happen at this point.