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The terms of alliance are you do not enrich the guy we are protecting you from. It is that simple!

sudosysgen 6y ago
The US is not protecting Germany against Russia militarily. The US is opposing Russia because it is in the US's interests to oppose Russia Germany is more than able to protect itself against Russia.
- baybal2 6y ago
  > Germany is more than able to protect itself against Russia. Germany only have ~300 tanks. It is not by any stretch of imagination.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Germany isn't going to fight Russia alone, it's going to fight Russia with the entire EU per article 42 section 7 of the TEU. France has 530 MBTs, Spain 550, and Italy 480. This compares favourably with the 2600 Russian tanks, and with proper logistical backbone, advanced air support, infantry support, and competent missile defence systems, is way more than necessary to stall a Russian offensive. Of course, once the Russian offensive is stalled, Germany alone can vastly outproduce Russia, and that's the worst case scenario. The US is not necessary for Germany to defend against Russia.
antientropic 6y ago
Western countries traded with the Russians during the Cold War so this seems like a weak argument. Where does the NATO treaty stipulate a trade embargo against the Russians?
- iguy 6y ago
  Trade seems fine, it is being dependent which is potentially dangerous. In the cold war, it was the USSR which was more dependent. Without food grown in North America, they were (IIRC) looking at WWII levels of rationing, in the 80s, which would have made people pretty unhappy. They sold oil to buy this food, but most of the west could have got by without this trade. (Not sure how dependent W.Germany was, at that point.)
  - hef19898 6y ago
    Western Germany got gas from the Sowjets since the 70s. It is more the eastern eurpean countries that risk being in trouble. Using "German energy dependency" is just a straw man. Oh, I have the impression the real reason a commercial conflict between the US and Russia.
Udik 6y ago
You can also say "we lose money and influence if you trade with that guy, so we'll pretend you need to be protected from him".
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Honestly, the free falling B61 you let us 'participate' in storing and delivering aren't protecting us, they make us a target. So Fuck OFF, will ya?

The US is not protecting Germany against Russia militarily. The US is opposing Russia because it is in the US's interests to oppose Russia Germany is more than able to protect itself against Russia.

baybal2 6y ago
> Germany is more than able to protect itself against Russia. Germany only have ~300 tanks. It is not by any stretch of imagination.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Germany isn't going to fight Russia alone, it's going to fight Russia with the entire EU per article 42 section 7 of the TEU. France has 530 MBTs, Spain 550, and Italy 480. This compares favourably with the 2600 Russian tanks, and with proper logistical backbone, advanced air support, infantry support, and competent missile defence systems, is way more than necessary to stall a Russian offensive. Of course, once the Russian offensive is stalled, Germany alone can vastly outproduce Russia, and that's the worst case scenario. The US is not necessary for Germany to defend against Russia.

antientropic 6y ago

Western countries traded with the Russians during the Cold War so this seems like a weak argument. Where does the NATO treaty stipulate a trade embargo against the Russians?

iguy 6y ago
Trade seems fine, it is being dependent which is potentially dangerous. In the cold war, it was the USSR which was more dependent. Without food grown in North America, they were (IIRC) looking at WWII levels of rationing, in the 80s, which would have made people pretty unhappy. They sold oil to buy this food, but most of the west could have got by without this trade. (Not sure how dependent W.Germany was, at that point.)
- hef19898 6y ago
  Western Germany got gas from the Sowjets since the 70s. It is more the eastern eurpean countries that risk being in trouble. Using "German energy dependency" is just a straw man. Oh, I have the impression the real reason a commercial conflict between the US and Russia.

Udik 6y ago

You can also say "we lose money and influence if you trade with that guy, so we'll pretend you need to be protected from him".

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Honestly, the free falling B61 you let us 'participate' in storing and delivering aren't protecting us, they make us a target. So Fuck OFF, will ya?