5 ms·

Is this related to Jaron Lanier's vision of union (in the labor sense) groups which sell to companies access to the group's anonymized data? In his model, one i

Is this related to Jaron Lanier's vision of union (in the labor sense) groups which sell to companies access to the group's anonymized data? In his model, one individual can belong to many groups and their information is like a share/stock they have in a pool of data with other people. They sell in a cooperative fashion to select companies, gaining power through anonymity and group bargaining power.

rapnie 6y ago
Interesting. Do you have any good links?
rencire 6y ago
Would love to learn more about this. Any resources/links on this subject?
Nasrudith 6y ago
Data in those contexts nearly always have "reciprocial actions" fundamentally and those who gather the data know what they actually want out of it. Company-user interactions would likely produce better data. It feels like half of an understanding of both data usage and union style collective barganing. Unless I am missing something it seems a bit like trying to combine a semitruck and a bicycle to get green bulk cargo transportation. Sure both things individually have these advantages and it would be great to have all in one but implementing it is fundamentally nonviable.
asdfk-12 6y ago
Parent seems to be referring to MIDs [1] "Mediators of Individual Data (MIDs) are a union-like organization championed by technologist Jaron Lanier as a framework for addressing the key issues around user-generated data like ownership, monetization, and reparations. An effective MID or data union could perform a number of critical functions on behalf of its members that are currently lacking in the digital economy." There exists also a great Harvard Business Review article, but it is paywalled. [1] https://blog.datadividendproject.com/this-week-in-data-101-whats-a-mid/ https://blog.datadividendproject.com/this-week-in-data-101-w...
- rapnie 6y ago
  "Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator.", The Netherlands not allowed (the hashtag for the project is #DDPforAll ironically) :( http://archive.today/swdlk http://archive.today/swdlk Edit: DataDividendProject.com (https://archive.is/iFhT0 https://archive.is/iFhT0). Given that it is all blocked, it is not that interesting to me.

rapnie 6y ago

Interesting. Do you have any good links?

rencire 6y ago

Would love to learn more about this. Any resources/links on this subject?

Nasrudith 6y ago

Data in those contexts nearly always have "reciprocial actions" fundamentally and those who gather the data know what they actually want out of it. Company-user interactions would likely produce better data. It feels like half of an understanding of both data usage and union style collective barganing. Unless I am missing something it seems a bit like trying to combine a semitruck and a bicycle to get green bulk cargo transportation. Sure both things individually have these advantages and it would be great to have all in one but implementing it is fundamentally nonviable.

asdfk-12 6y ago

Parent seems to be referring to MIDs [1] "Mediators of Individual Data (MIDs) are a union-like organization championed by technologist Jaron Lanier as a framework for addressing the key issues around user-generated data like ownership, monetization, and reparations. An effective MID or data union could perform a number of critical functions on behalf of its members that are currently lacking in the digital economy." There exists also a great Harvard Business Review article, but it is paywalled. [1] https://blog.datadividendproject.com/this-week-in-data-101-whats-a-mid/ https://blog.datadividendproject.com/this-week-in-data-101-w...

rapnie 6y ago
"Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator.", The Netherlands not allowed (the hashtag for the project is #DDPforAll ironically) :( http://archive.today/swdlk http://archive.today/swdlk Edit: DataDividendProject.com (https://archive.is/iFhT0 https://archive.is/iFhT0). Given that it is all blocked, it is not that interesting to me.