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>It knows that I have an appointment on my calendar in half an hour and suggests that as a destination without me having to retype it. It knows that in the morn

by dTal 6y ago

>It knows that I have an appointment on my calendar in half an hour and suggests that as a destination without me having to retype it. It knows that in the mornings my most likely destination is "work" and my most likely evening destination is "home". It knows what brewery I like to go to on Saturday afternoons and suggests that too. I know it makes me terribly old-fashioned, but god that's horrifying.

Jtsummers 6y ago
I'm not sure why it's horrifying. Assuming the data is on your device and that's what it's learning from, at least with respect to appointments, this was also an objective of every PDA and productivity software ever made. To help you plan your day without having to sit down and plan your day. Throw in data, it tells you what you need to know and when. Regarding suggesting destinations based on habits it's only (potentially) horrifying if this means the data is going to some Google/Apple/Other server and projections coming from it.
- anotherman554 6y ago
  I would be surprised if Google's technology works without it being stored on Google's server.
- dTal 6y ago
  >it's only (potentially) horrifying if this means the data is going to some Google/Apple/Other server and projections coming from it. Yes, well that's exactly what it's doing. A local-only solution would of course be a different story. But even if such a thing existed, with suitably ironclad security for such incredibly sensitive data, the mere creation of that data is a liability that many might opt out of if they had the choice - like taking nude pictures, or logging your location at all times.
  - Arainach 6y ago
    You absolutely have that choice. I have Location History turned off in my Google Account and this feature still works. It might work better if I let it use history, not sure - but it absolutely works without it. I do have Search History turned on, so I could hypothesize that it's able to use things I've searched for in the past at certain times, but it's not using my location.
    - summm 6y ago
      History working at all is a more recent change. Previously, if you disabled location history it would only remember POIs that you navigated to. Not addresses. And it allowed you to add local bookmarks, but didn't let you name them. Have fun with a list with some yellow stars with GPS coordinates only. The whole thing was outright unusable for no technical reason, as if nobody at Google had tested "non-treacherous mode", or as if they on purpose sabotaged it.
  - jdminhbg 6y ago
    > Yes, well that's exactly what it's doing. Not for Apple. Siri suggestions are learned on device and end-to-end encrypted when shared with your other devices: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yourself-iphfaf30bdbd/14.0/ios/14.0#ipha9a0dd043 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yours...
SirLuxuryYacht 6y ago
Aside from being quite creepy, wouldn't one already know how to get to their favorite brewery? I'm similar to the parent; I have a "dumb" head unit with an aux cord + dongle. I suppose one benefit would be if it could suggest faster routes around traffic or detours.
- jbuzbee 6y ago
  "wouldn't one already know how to get to their favorite brewery?" - I navigate most everywhere I go of any distance so I get warned of traffic issues or speed traps.

by dTal 6y ago

Jtsummers 6y ago

I'm not sure why it's horrifying. Assuming the data is on your device and that's what it's learning from, at least with respect to appointments, this was also an objective of every PDA and productivity software ever made. To help you plan your day without having to sit down and plan your day. Throw in data, it tells you what you need to know and when. Regarding suggesting destinations based on habits it's only (potentially) horrifying if this means the data is going to some Google/Apple/Other server and projections coming from it.

anotherman554 6y ago
I would be surprised if Google's technology works without it being stored on Google's server.
dTal 6y ago
>it's only (potentially) horrifying if this means the data is going to some Google/Apple/Other server and projections coming from it. Yes, well that's exactly what it's doing. A local-only solution would of course be a different story. But even if such a thing existed, with suitably ironclad security for such incredibly sensitive data, the mere creation of that data is a liability that many might opt out of if they had the choice - like taking nude pictures, or logging your location at all times.
- Arainach 6y ago
  You absolutely have that choice. I have Location History turned off in my Google Account and this feature still works. It might work better if I let it use history, not sure - but it absolutely works without it. I do have Search History turned on, so I could hypothesize that it's able to use things I've searched for in the past at certain times, but it's not using my location.
  - summm 6y ago
    History working at all is a more recent change. Previously, if you disabled location history it would only remember POIs that you navigated to. Not addresses. And it allowed you to add local bookmarks, but didn't let you name them. Have fun with a list with some yellow stars with GPS coordinates only. The whole thing was outright unusable for no technical reason, as if nobody at Google had tested "non-treacherous mode", or as if they on purpose sabotaged it.
- jdminhbg 6y ago
  > Yes, well that's exactly what it's doing. Not for Apple. Siri suggestions are learned on device and end-to-end encrypted when shared with your other devices: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yourself-iphfaf30bdbd/14.0/ios/14.0#ipha9a0dd043 https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/tell-siri-about-yours...

SirLuxuryYacht 6y ago

Aside from being quite creepy, wouldn't one already know how to get to their favorite brewery? I'm similar to the parent; I have a "dumb" head unit with an aux cord + dongle. I suppose one benefit would be if it could suggest faster routes around traffic or detours.

jbuzbee 6y ago
"wouldn't one already know how to get to their favorite brewery?" - I navigate most everywhere I go of any distance so I get warned of traffic issues or speed traps.