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Prefacing that I am not a philosopher, but I think that hermeneutics would reject the idea that "real" and "reality" can exist outside of the interpretation tha

Prefacing that I am not a philosopher, but I think that hermeneutics would reject the idea that "real" and "reality" can exist outside of the interpretation that people have of something that has happened. To an extent, real and reality is the same and one with its interpretation. You get into these weird spots where two people could experience the same event, interpret it in different ways, leading up to two different "realities" of the event. I don't know enough to know how this would be reconciled within hermeneutic epistemology, but that's something interesting to keep in mind.

tines 6y ago
But isn't "determining the one true actual meaning of a thing" the entire point of hermeneutics? Or rather, hermeneutics is a technique for objectively determining what something does _not_ mean, which is incompatible with the idea that reality doesn't exist outside an interpretation.
- pacbard 6y ago
  I honestly don't know. I am not well read in hermeneutics to have any sort of opinion on it. It looks like Stanford's encyclopedia of philosophy [^1] might have a good introduction on the intersection of truth and hermeneutics. A quick skim of that section appears to fuse together ideas from aesthetics, ethics, and linguistics to build a conception of truth that is not based in traditional positivist epistemology. Again, I am not a philosopher so I don't really know what I am talking about. [1]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hermeneutics/#ContHerm_1 https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hermeneutics/#ContHerm_1
  - tines 6y ago
    Yeah same here, just wondering.
- 1MoreThing 6y ago
  Detecting wrong answers doesn't tell you anything about how many right answers there might be.
  - tines 6y ago
    There only has to be one objectively wrong answer to show that it's not all subjective, which is the point under discussion.
chub500 6y ago
I have to say, hermeneutics is something our western culture has become catastrophically bad at. When the failure of postmodernism became apparent (truths unfortunately must be shared to take any corporate action in society), we seem to have reverted directly back into a Nietzschian nihilism, every group only exists as a means to power. This has begun to erode traditional modernist western ideals which the postmodernists seemed to allow: offensive speech isn't necessarily wrong, interpretation and truth are two sides to the same coin, etc.
- polynomial 6y ago
  > we seem to have reverted directly back into a Nietzschian nihilism Alternately, we seem to have fulfilled his prediction that this would come to pass in 100-200 years, and would erode the ideals held by the Western mindset. TBC: Not intending this to be read as a fatalism, merely that his concern was less with nihilism itself, and more with its effect on future society and people.

tines 6y ago

But isn't "determining the one true actual meaning of a thing" the entire point of hermeneutics? Or rather, hermeneutics is a technique for objectively determining what something does _not_ mean, which is incompatible with the idea that reality doesn't exist outside an interpretation.

pacbard 6y ago
I honestly don't know. I am not well read in hermeneutics to have any sort of opinion on it. It looks like Stanford's encyclopedia of philosophy [^1] might have a good introduction on the intersection of truth and hermeneutics. A quick skim of that section appears to fuse together ideas from aesthetics, ethics, and linguistics to build a conception of truth that is not based in traditional positivist epistemology. Again, I am not a philosopher so I don't really know what I am talking about. [1]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hermeneutics/#ContHerm_1 https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hermeneutics/#ContHerm_1
- tines 6y ago
  Yeah same here, just wondering.
1MoreThing 6y ago
Detecting wrong answers doesn't tell you anything about how many right answers there might be.
- tines 6y ago
  There only has to be one objectively wrong answer to show that it's not all subjective, which is the point under discussion.

chub500 6y ago

I have to say, hermeneutics is something our western culture has become catastrophically bad at. When the failure of postmodernism became apparent (truths unfortunately must be shared to take any corporate action in society), we seem to have reverted directly back into a Nietzschian nihilism, every group only exists as a means to power. This has begun to erode traditional modernist western ideals which the postmodernists seemed to allow: offensive speech isn't necessarily wrong, interpretation and truth are two sides to the same coin, etc.

polynomial 6y ago
> we seem to have reverted directly back into a Nietzschian nihilism Alternately, we seem to have fulfilled his prediction that this would come to pass in 100-200 years, and would erode the ideals held by the Western mindset. TBC: Not intending this to be read as a fatalism, merely that his concern was less with nihilism itself, and more with its effect on future society and people.