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I can see it around me already. There will be most likely no changes to how we used to do stuff. I, for one, wouldn't mind screens in the shops and some prote

I can see it around me already. There will be most likely no changes to how we used to do stuff. I, for one, wouldn't mind screens in the shops and some protection for the cashiers. Its probably the biggest factor for spreading flu, since they are huge point of contact. But it won't happen. The moment we beat the covid, everyone will rush to strip and burn anything that is remotely related to covid.

giantg2 6y ago
"The moment we beat the covid..." I hope you're right, but I feel like that's overly optimistic.
- me_me_me 6y ago
  With working vaccines its the matter of when not if. What makes you think otherwise?
  - spookthesunset 6y ago
    When the average 36 year old American overestimates their chance of dying from covid by 1000x and any comment that goes against the “be scared” narrative.... when I get called “dangerous” for posting public data from state covid dashboards because my post shows this isn’t that bad, relatively speaking.... a lot of people are gonna have some serious long term mental trauma. It seriously feels like people want to this to be the worst thing ever. Source is this fascinating dataset: http://covid19pulse.usc.edu/ http://covid19pulse.usc.edu/
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      > As occurred in the spring, COVID-19 has become the leading cause of death in the United States (daily mortality rates for heart disease and cancer, which for decades have been the 2 leading causes of death, are approximately 1700 and 1600 deaths per day, respectively4).Dec 17, 2020 [0] How do you argue with statistics? Its leading cause of death. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465
      - giantg2 6y ago
        "How do you argue with statistics?" Depends on the methodologies used and the conclusions drawn from the numbers. For example, the parent comment was claiming that the average 35 year old overestimates their chances of dying from covid. Your comment states that covid is the leading cause of death. I believe both statements are true. You can see some of this in a quote from the article you posted. "In contrast, for individuals younger than age 45 years, other causes of death, such as drug overdoses, suicide, transport accidents, cancer, and homicide exceeded those from COVID-19."
        pishpash 6y ago
        But that's with the measures taken.
        giantg2 6y ago
        And that's a third point that isn't necessarily in agreement to the others, but doesn't refute them either. It's hard to say what it would look like for that age group (<45), or any other, without the current restrictions. Just to point it out in the age sub groups under 45 in the previously linked article, to become the leading cause of death in each one would require a 2x-15x increase in covid deaths. I'm not sure what that means for this conversation since my main point is that none of the numbers or arguments being thrown around in this comment chain directly relate to each other - there seem to be 2 or 3 separate arguments that are only tangentially related.
  - 6DM 6y ago
    Unfortunately people have to actually take those vaccines, there's a high percentage of people saying no and/or waiting to see how things play out.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      And it's annually, not just once and done for eradicated diseases, like smallpox. The vast majority of the population would have to take the vaccine every year. That's going to be a challenge to keep the population vaccinated.
  - sterlind 6y ago
    if new variants escape inoculation by the vaccine, and keep coming about faster than new vaccines can be produced and administered.
    - JadeNB 6y ago
      > if new variants escape inoculation by the vaccine Do they? I've looked for information on this, but haven't found it. Do existing vaccines protect against the new variant from the UK?
      - giantg2 6y ago
        So far they believe all the know strains are still covered. Nobody knows if that will continue to be the case. The MRNA vaccines are targeting the spike protein, which is what gives it many of it's infectious properties. If it does mutate to change or eliminate that spike, we might get lucky and those strains won't be as serious, but nobody can predict the future.
        me_me_me 6y ago
        Just an FYI, spike protein is used by virus as means of entering a healthy host's cell. Without it virus becomes like a c4 without detonation cap. More less harmless.
        giantg2 6y ago
        Yeah, if it loses it entirely it would be pretty much harmless. But if it changes sufficiently, that's where we wouldn't know if it's better or worse.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    What makes you think that a vaccine will eradicate this disease? We have vaccines for many diseases that still exist today - influenza, varicella, etc. Even polio has proved tricky to globally eradicate, and vaccines for this have been in existence for over 50 years. The diseases that have been essentially eradicated, such as smallpox, is something that does not require vaccination on a continual/annual basis. Covid has been mutating and spreading to other species. It is also believed that immunity is short lived, about 1 year. The virus will be endemic (if not already) in global wildlife and agricultural animal populations indefinitely. This will mean that you can't eradicate it and what yearly vaccinations will be required. This also presents the potential that new mutations will continue to emerge and that one or more will not be protected against by the vaccine. These concerns don't even address that parts of the population will refuse to get the vaccine. Or that the vaccine does not completely protect against infection/transmission, as seen in it's effectiveness being measured as preventing severe symptoms (which is part of why you still need to wear a mask after vaccination).
    - ryandrake 6y ago
      Yea, it's kind of a pessimistic take, but is there strong evidence that this won't be just like the flu, where you need to vaccinate every year to keep up? Even with vaccinations and widespread coverage, it's really hard to totally eradicate a viral disease.

giantg2 6y ago

"The moment we beat the covid..." I hope you're right, but I feel like that's overly optimistic.

me_me_me 6y ago
With working vaccines its the matter of when not if. What makes you think otherwise?
- spookthesunset 6y ago
  When the average 36 year old American overestimates their chance of dying from covid by 1000x and any comment that goes against the “be scared” narrative.... when I get called “dangerous” for posting public data from state covid dashboards because my post shows this isn’t that bad, relatively speaking.... a lot of people are gonna have some serious long term mental trauma. It seriously feels like people want to this to be the worst thing ever. Source is this fascinating dataset: http://covid19pulse.usc.edu/ http://covid19pulse.usc.edu/
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    > As occurred in the spring, COVID-19 has become the leading cause of death in the United States (daily mortality rates for heart disease and cancer, which for decades have been the 2 leading causes of death, are approximately 1700 and 1600 deaths per day, respectively4).Dec 17, 2020 [0] How do you argue with statistics? Its leading cause of death. [0] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465
    - giantg2 6y ago
      "How do you argue with statistics?" Depends on the methodologies used and the conclusions drawn from the numbers. For example, the parent comment was claiming that the average 35 year old overestimates their chances of dying from covid. Your comment states that covid is the leading cause of death. I believe both statements are true. You can see some of this in a quote from the article you posted. "In contrast, for individuals younger than age 45 years, other causes of death, such as drug overdoses, suicide, transport accidents, cancer, and homicide exceeded those from COVID-19."
      - pishpash 6y ago
        But that's with the measures taken.
        giantg2 6y ago
        And that's a third point that isn't necessarily in agreement to the others, but doesn't refute them either. It's hard to say what it would look like for that age group (<45), or any other, without the current restrictions. Just to point it out in the age sub groups under 45 in the previously linked article, to become the leading cause of death in each one would require a 2x-15x increase in covid deaths. I'm not sure what that means for this conversation since my main point is that none of the numbers or arguments being thrown around in this comment chain directly relate to each other - there seem to be 2 or 3 separate arguments that are only tangentially related.
- 6DM 6y ago
  Unfortunately people have to actually take those vaccines, there's a high percentage of people saying no and/or waiting to see how things play out.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    And it's annually, not just once and done for eradicated diseases, like smallpox. The vast majority of the population would have to take the vaccine every year. That's going to be a challenge to keep the population vaccinated.
- sterlind 6y ago
  if new variants escape inoculation by the vaccine, and keep coming about faster than new vaccines can be produced and administered.
  - JadeNB 6y ago
    > if new variants escape inoculation by the vaccine Do they? I've looked for information on this, but haven't found it. Do existing vaccines protect against the new variant from the UK?
    - giantg2 6y ago
      So far they believe all the know strains are still covered. Nobody knows if that will continue to be the case. The MRNA vaccines are targeting the spike protein, which is what gives it many of it's infectious properties. If it does mutate to change or eliminate that spike, we might get lucky and those strains won't be as serious, but nobody can predict the future.
      - me_me_me 6y ago
        Just an FYI, spike protein is used by virus as means of entering a healthy host's cell. Without it virus becomes like a c4 without detonation cap. More less harmless.
        giantg2 6y ago
        Yeah, if it loses it entirely it would be pretty much harmless. But if it changes sufficiently, that's where we wouldn't know if it's better or worse.
- giantg2 6y ago
  What makes you think that a vaccine will eradicate this disease? We have vaccines for many diseases that still exist today - influenza, varicella, etc. Even polio has proved tricky to globally eradicate, and vaccines for this have been in existence for over 50 years. The diseases that have been essentially eradicated, such as smallpox, is something that does not require vaccination on a continual/annual basis. Covid has been mutating and spreading to other species. It is also believed that immunity is short lived, about 1 year. The virus will be endemic (if not already) in global wildlife and agricultural animal populations indefinitely. This will mean that you can't eradicate it and what yearly vaccinations will be required. This also presents the potential that new mutations will continue to emerge and that one or more will not be protected against by the vaccine. These concerns don't even address that parts of the population will refuse to get the vaccine. Or that the vaccine does not completely protect against infection/transmission, as seen in it's effectiveness being measured as preventing severe symptoms (which is part of why you still need to wear a mask after vaccination).
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    Yea, it's kind of a pessimistic take, but is there strong evidence that this won't be just like the flu, where you need to vaccinate every year to keep up? Even with vaccinations and widespread coverage, it's really hard to totally eradicate a viral disease.