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I for found the gender difference quite surprising. I would not have imagined at the bottom levels of an agrarian society that there was much difference in the

by bb123 6y ago

I for found the gender difference quite surprising. I would not have imagined at the bottom levels of an agrarian society that there was much difference in the risks men and women faced.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> I for found the gender difference quite surprising. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Could you provide the relevant quote?
- rtkwe 6y ago
  ^F "male" > Across all sites the team found fractures were more common in male remains (40%) than female (26%)
  - InitialLastName 6y ago
    I wonder how that ratio compares to now. I would assume that men (especially teenage/young adult men) are still more likely to suffer injuries (due to higher risk tolerance/attraction, in addition to continued workplace differences).
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    - laurent92 6y ago
      Men are ~93% of workplace fatality in XXIst century, both in USA and France for which I’ve seen the figures, although it’s only 450 deaths in France. It is on upwards trend for women (very recent trend, probably equalization of work) and downwards trend for men (has been on the decrease since WWII).
      - InitialLastName 6y ago
        Specifically, I'm interested in what proportion of people have (at the point of death) had a bone fracture at some point. I would assume that workplace fatality has been dropping (in line with ~all other forms of non-age-related fatality), but a look back through my mind-palace of anecdotal evidence suggests that a) more of the young men I knew than young women have broken bones and b) not far off 30% of the people I know, in (roughly speaking) the most economically privileged class in world history have broken bones at some point. What I'm curious about is the data to back up the anecdote.
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mytailorisrich 6y ago
This is not really surprising. Daily tasks were usually quite distinct between men and women.
- dimitrios1 6y ago
  And this is still the case to this day. The 10 most dangerous jobs in the US are male dominated.
detritus 6y ago
But why? I'd expect across most societies historically for males to engage in more physically stressful work. Not to undermine the value of women's work across that span, of course - but I'm genuinely surprised at your surprise.
- laurent92 6y ago
  A fun part about this is, forced labour for men remained legal until 1957’s UN treaty. Forced labour was abolished by the ILO treaty of 1930 but had a specific exclusion at Article 11, to exclude men 17-to-49 who didn’t have official or familial responsibilities. ILO 1930 PDF: https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangkok/---ilo-islamabad/documents/policy/wcms_143046.pdf https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangk...

by bb123 6y ago

I for found the gender difference quite surprising. I would not have imagined at the bottom levels of an agrarian society that there was much difference in the risks men and women faced.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

> I for found the gender difference quite surprising. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Could you provide the relevant quote?

rtkwe 6y ago
^F "male" > Across all sites the team found fractures were more common in male remains (40%) than female (26%)
- InitialLastName 6y ago
  I wonder how that ratio compares to now. I would assume that men (especially teenage/young adult men) are still more likely to suffer injuries (due to higher risk tolerance/attraction, in addition to continued workplace differences).
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  - laurent92 6y ago
    Men are ~93% of workplace fatality in XXIst century, both in USA and France for which I’ve seen the figures, although it’s only 450 deaths in France. It is on upwards trend for women (very recent trend, probably equalization of work) and downwards trend for men (has been on the decrease since WWII).
    - InitialLastName 6y ago
      Specifically, I'm interested in what proportion of people have (at the point of death) had a bone fracture at some point. I would assume that workplace fatality has been dropping (in line with ~all other forms of non-age-related fatality), but a look back through my mind-palace of anecdotal evidence suggests that a) more of the young men I knew than young women have broken bones and b) not far off 30% of the people I know, in (roughly speaking) the most economically privileged class in world history have broken bones at some point. What I'm curious about is the data to back up the anecdote.
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mytailorisrich 6y ago

This is not really surprising. Daily tasks were usually quite distinct between men and women.

dimitrios1 6y ago
And this is still the case to this day. The 10 most dangerous jobs in the US are male dominated.

detritus 6y ago

But why? I'd expect across most societies historically for males to engage in more physically stressful work. Not to undermine the value of women's work across that span, of course - but I'm genuinely surprised at your surprise.

laurent92 6y ago
A fun part about this is, forced labour for men remained legal until 1957’s UN treaty. Forced labour was abolished by the ILO treaty of 1930 but had a specific exclusion at Article 11, to exclude men 17-to-49 who didn’t have official or familial responsibilities. ILO 1930 PDF: https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangkok/---ilo-islamabad/documents/policy/wcms_143046.pdf https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---asia/---ro-bangk...