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Vienna for example. Although it is possible to survive with around 700-900€ per month, eat, live and study. But if you also want to go out, go to restaurants/b

by andix 6y ago

Vienna for example. Although it is possible to survive with around 700-900€ per month, eat, live and study. But if you also want to go out, go to restaurants/bars regularly and live in a nice place (not a shared dorm room), 1500-2000€ are way better.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
I think we have two very distinct student lives in mind: The one I know most students have, is living very frugally, cooking at home, counting every penny to not go into more debt, studying hard to get a head start in life and partying hard on a budget, mostly house parties with booze bought from the supermarket with the occasional club or restaurant outing being a treat. The other one is the Instagram lifestyle student, travelling to fancy places, practicing expensive sports and hobbies, eating out a lot, going bars and clubbing all the time. That's not your typical student, more like the 1%-er. Living alone in a non-shared apartment is already a huge luxury for most students unless you come from a well-off family.
- parasubvert 6y ago
  1000-2000 a month is hardly “jet setting” and has nothing to do with instagram. We are talking the difference between living in a shared accommodation and maybe having a small apartment, maybe having a used car, etc. Plenty of students get bankrolled by a combination of scholarships, their parents, and loans, and have for decades. There’s nothing wrong with it (or with going the frugal route either). Edit: To live in dorm 25 years ago in a standard Canadian university (for me) it cost $500/month plus another $500 a month in mandatory food card. That’s equivalent to 650 euros. That’s plus utilities, off campus food and drink, computer, recreation, and transportation, probably another 100-150 euros. My family was hardly rich (school teacher and truck driver) and helped out, I worked part time, and took out loans. Things are more expensive now.
  - jiofih 6y ago
    As the other comment mentioned, 2k/month is a starter salary in the nordics. It is near instagram-lifestyle money in Portugal, Spain and most of the eastern EU for a young single person. A student having their own apartment (and a car??) is already a luxury 99% of the world will never experience.
    - parasubvert 6y ago
      Most students I knew didn’t have their own apartment and car but a few did if they had small children, had social reasons to live alone, or were married (yes some people get pregnant in high school). They usually had a mix of parental help, loans and part time or coop program work, and scholarships. They weren’t super rich, they were from middle class Canadian families 25 years ago. I even have a friend going to school today with a rental 5 bedroom house, as single parent raising 2 kids, and having 2 exchange students help out. Between scholarships , loans, and the students from China it covers expenses (well over €2k monthly). I recognize that is richer than 99% of the world. It’s just my experience. If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low. An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark. This is about the same in other European countries maybe +/- 10k My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living. The “jet setting” types (I have known a few) are getting an allowance of €3-4k+ monthly.
      - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
        >My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living. It isn't glamorous, you're right but I wasn't talking about inequality here, I was saying that very few students in Europe have 2K per month at their disposal. >If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low. AFAIK, 2K Euros per month, after taxes, is your typical starting wage for a full time dev job in a decent company in countries like Germany. To get significantly more than 2K after taxes here as a new grad would put you in the top 10% of devs your age, definitely not the norm in the industry or in Europe. >An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark. Do you have a source for this? Because if you do then it would be best for me to give up my dev job in Germany and become an MBA in Denmark. Not /s, but quite serious.
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- antihero 6y ago
  Not sure about these extremes. I was a working class student in the UK and most of my fellow students still managed to party pretty hard, just efficiently (Sainsbury's Basics Vodka + Blue Bolt, M-Cat, drink deals at the SU and other horrific student nights).
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  > The other one is the Instagram lifestyle student, travelling to fancy places, practicing expensive sports and hobbies, eating out a lot, going bars and clubbing all the time. This idea that €2000 a month to live and study and pay for materials is some sort of "Instagram lifestyle" is ridiculous.

by andix 6y ago

ChuckNorris89 6y ago

I think we have two very distinct student lives in mind: The one I know most students have, is living very frugally, cooking at home, counting every penny to not go into more debt, studying hard to get a head start in life and partying hard on a budget, mostly house parties with booze bought from the supermarket with the occasional club or restaurant outing being a treat. The other one is the Instagram lifestyle student, travelling to fancy places, practicing expensive sports and hobbies, eating out a lot, going bars and clubbing all the time. That's not your typical student, more like the 1%-er. Living alone in a non-shared apartment is already a huge luxury for most students unless you come from a well-off family.

parasubvert 6y ago
1000-2000 a month is hardly “jet setting” and has nothing to do with instagram. We are talking the difference between living in a shared accommodation and maybe having a small apartment, maybe having a used car, etc. Plenty of students get bankrolled by a combination of scholarships, their parents, and loans, and have for decades. There’s nothing wrong with it (or with going the frugal route either). Edit: To live in dorm 25 years ago in a standard Canadian university (for me) it cost $500/month plus another $500 a month in mandatory food card. That’s equivalent to 650 euros. That’s plus utilities, off campus food and drink, computer, recreation, and transportation, probably another 100-150 euros. My family was hardly rich (school teacher and truck driver) and helped out, I worked part time, and took out loans. Things are more expensive now.
- jiofih 6y ago
  As the other comment mentioned, 2k/month is a starter salary in the nordics. It is near instagram-lifestyle money in Portugal, Spain and most of the eastern EU for a young single person. A student having their own apartment (and a car??) is already a luxury 99% of the world will never experience.
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    Most students I knew didn’t have their own apartment and car but a few did if they had small children, had social reasons to live alone, or were married (yes some people get pregnant in high school). They usually had a mix of parental help, loans and part time or coop program work, and scholarships. They weren’t super rich, they were from middle class Canadian families 25 years ago. I even have a friend going to school today with a rental 5 bedroom house, as single parent raising 2 kids, and having 2 exchange students help out. Between scholarships , loans, and the students from China it covers expenses (well over €2k monthly). I recognize that is richer than 99% of the world. It’s just my experience. If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low. An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark. This is about the same in other European countries maybe +/- 10k My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living. The “jet setting” types (I have known a few) are getting an allowance of €3-4k+ monthly.
    - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
      >My point isn’t that some people have it good, it’s that €1-2k a month isn’t exactly glamorous living. It isn't glamorous, you're right but I wasn't talking about inequality here, I was saying that very few students in Europe have 2K per month at their disposal. >If you’re coming out of university and making £2k a month that is a bit low. AFAIK, 2K Euros per month, after taxes, is your typical starting wage for a full time dev job in a decent company in countries like Germany. To get significantly more than 2K after taxes here as a new grad would put you in the top 10% of devs your age, definitely not the norm in the industry or in Europe. >An MBA graduate makes €90k+ annually in Denmark. Do you have a source for this? Because if you do then it would be best for me to give up my dev job in Germany and become an MBA in Denmark. Not /s, but quite serious.
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antihero 6y ago
Not sure about these extremes. I was a working class student in the UK and most of my fellow students still managed to party pretty hard, just efficiently (Sainsbury's Basics Vodka + Blue Bolt, M-Cat, drink deals at the SU and other horrific student nights).
TomSwirly 6y ago
> The other one is the Instagram lifestyle student, travelling to fancy places, practicing expensive sports and hobbies, eating out a lot, going bars and clubbing all the time. This idea that €2000 a month to live and study and pay for materials is some sort of "Instagram lifestyle" is ridiculous.