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For 30% of all revenues, why should anyone give a flying damn about poor Apple having to do its homework?

coldtea 6y ago
Well, they can always take their business elsewhere, where the grass is greener. But they came to the App Store because it's a dozens of billions of dollars a year market...
- majewsky 6y ago
  Which "elsewhere" is there for someone developing an Apple Watch keyboard?
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Apparently developers can develop more than one kind of app.
    - WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
      This sounds almost like the developers should be permanent, pardon my French, bitches to both Apple who can boot them for any petty reason, and to scammers who copycat them and make money with straightaway fraud, then to Apple again, who won't do anything about the scammers (I wonder what percentage of App Store revenue comes from those, once you look past the biggest players like Microsoft/Adobe/whoever else is in the top 20), and then to Apple again, who will incorporate your app's functionality into the core of their OS offering and then boast how they were the first to come up with the idea. And not only should be the developers bitches, they should, according to you, accept and enjoy this dubious "honor". Right?
      - valuearb 6y ago
        You can build an app that only serves an extremely narrow market niche to improve functionality that is incredibly important to the platform owner, but then you shouldn’t complain about being sherlocked or how tough competition is.
zepto 6y ago
Agreed, but the issue here seems to be a legal one. There is very little IP protection for software in general. If the app conforms to the rules, Apple may not be able to determine that it’s a violation of any rule. Then what?
- molszanski 6y ago
  The very least, there should a well-known, published and discussed precedents. Apple should inform developers about edge cases of the app store and developers should know about it before they enter the contract.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Maybe so, but how is that related to this case?
- WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
  Excuses, excuses. Apple advertises the benefit of its App Store that thanks to the diligent manual review, such fraud simply has no place there. They also maintain that the fees are high because the review process is top notch and thus expensive. Now they have to admit that either the walls in their garden are worse than Swiss cheese by letting bad actors in, or that they are complicit in that fraud, because someone had to approve that shit. Now if I’m just as likely to be screwed over by an Apple-approved app from their walled garden as I am by sideloading random crap, what’s the point in it for me, as a user? If I have to exercise just as much caution, I can just as well sideload what I want.
  - zepto 6y ago
    “Excuses, excuses.“ This is legal liability. That matters. > Now if I’m just as likely to be screwed over by an Apple-approved app from their walled garden as I am by sideloading random crap, what’s the point in it for me, as a user? If I have to exercise just as much caution, I can just as well sideload what I want. If this were true, then sure. But it obviously isn’t. Even the Google Play store is way worse in terms of risks than the App Store.

Well, they can always take their business elsewhere, where the grass is greener. But they came to the App Store because it's a dozens of billions of dollars a year market...

majewsky 6y ago
Which "elsewhere" is there for someone developing an Apple Watch keyboard?
- valuearb 6y ago
  Apparently developers can develop more than one kind of app.
  - WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
    This sounds almost like the developers should be permanent, pardon my French, bitches to both Apple who can boot them for any petty reason, and to scammers who copycat them and make money with straightaway fraud, then to Apple again, who won't do anything about the scammers (I wonder what percentage of App Store revenue comes from those, once you look past the biggest players like Microsoft/Adobe/whoever else is in the top 20), and then to Apple again, who will incorporate your app's functionality into the core of their OS offering and then boast how they were the first to come up with the idea. And not only should be the developers bitches, they should, according to you, accept and enjoy this dubious "honor". Right?
    - valuearb 6y ago
      You can build an app that only serves an extremely narrow market niche to improve functionality that is incredibly important to the platform owner, but then you shouldn’t complain about being sherlocked or how tough competition is.

zepto 6y ago

Agreed, but the issue here seems to be a legal one. There is very little IP protection for software in general. If the app conforms to the rules, Apple may not be able to determine that it’s a violation of any rule. Then what?

molszanski 6y ago
The very least, there should a well-known, published and discussed precedents. Apple should inform developers about edge cases of the app store and developers should know about it before they enter the contract.
- zepto 6y ago
  Maybe so, but how is that related to this case?
WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
Excuses, excuses. Apple advertises the benefit of its App Store that thanks to the diligent manual review, such fraud simply has no place there. They also maintain that the fees are high because the review process is top notch and thus expensive. Now they have to admit that either the walls in their garden are worse than Swiss cheese by letting bad actors in, or that they are complicit in that fraud, because someone had to approve that shit. Now if I’m just as likely to be screwed over by an Apple-approved app from their walled garden as I am by sideloading random crap, what’s the point in it for me, as a user? If I have to exercise just as much caution, I can just as well sideload what I want.
- zepto 6y ago
  “Excuses, excuses.“ This is legal liability. That matters. > Now if I’m just as likely to be screwed over by an Apple-approved app from their walled garden as I am by sideloading random crap, what’s the point in it for me, as a user? If I have to exercise just as much caution, I can just as well sideload what I want. If this were true, then sure. But it obviously isn’t. Even the Google Play store is way worse in terms of risks than the App Store.