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What are the concerns here? Obviously police should be able to get warrants and obtain relevant security camera footage for a crime, and obviously owners of sec

by ummonk 6y ago

What are the concerns here? Obviously police should be able to get warrants and obtain relevant security camera footage for a crime, and obviously owners of security cameras should have the right to volunteer their recordings to the police or to neighbors if they wish to in the absence of a warrant.

skocznymroczny 6y ago
I think there are two concerns. First is that many people might not want to have their lives recorded by a camera to which a massive global corporation has access to. And I don't mean the people volunteering the recordings, but other houses which might be in the camera's field of view without consent. Second concern is the same, but for the authorities. Warrants are well and good, but if the access is easy, it's highly likely in time they will just drop the warrant pretense and just monitor the streams 24/7 'for our safety'.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  For the second concern it seems like there might be a constitutional issue in the US, but who knows how courts would rule on it?
pjc50 6y ago
If you said "should the police build an omnipresent system of surveillance cameras", people might see the problem. Somehow if a giant megacorp and lots of local concerned citizens are interposed, people lose sight of this. The two big concerns are (a) use of footage against things that aren't actually crimes and (b) highly selective enforcement.
Mashimo 6y ago
I don't know how this is implemented or monitored, but what would stop a police person from requesting data from his/hers ex neighbor? Or daughters boyfriend neighbor. The neighbor just sees "police requested footage" and says yes. I would rather see some data on how helpful this is before it get's implemented. AFAIK video surveillance is often not as helpful as people think it is. Thanks to shows like CIS. I could be wrong.
gambiting 6y ago
With "normal" CCTV you control the data. If the police want it, they are very welcome to obtain a warranty and I'll be more than happy to give them copies of everything. No problem at all. But with something like Ring, you don't control the data. Police will have special arrangements where they can view recordings whenever they like, sometimes without a warrant, based on "suspicion" or some other nonsense like that. I'm also guessing that Ring doesn't tell you when this happens. That is a system prone to abuse. As to your last point - of course you should be able to volunteer the data if you want to. That was never in question.
- mFixman 6y ago
  Doesn't this comment contradict the article?
- sn_master 6y ago
  Exactly. The police should have to ask for every single piece of footage and present a case for it in front of a judge to get a warrant. Their job should be hard, so they only do it if they really have to.

by ummonk 6y ago

skocznymroczny 6y ago

I think there are two concerns. First is that many people might not want to have their lives recorded by a camera to which a massive global corporation has access to. And I don't mean the people volunteering the recordings, but other houses which might be in the camera's field of view without consent. Second concern is the same, but for the authorities. Warrants are well and good, but if the access is easy, it's highly likely in time they will just drop the warrant pretense and just monitor the streams 24/7 'for our safety'.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
For the second concern it seems like there might be a constitutional issue in the US, but who knows how courts would rule on it?

pjc50 6y ago

If you said "should the police build an omnipresent system of surveillance cameras", people might see the problem. Somehow if a giant megacorp and lots of local concerned citizens are interposed, people lose sight of this. The two big concerns are (a) use of footage against things that aren't actually crimes and (b) highly selective enforcement.

Mashimo 6y ago

I don't know how this is implemented or monitored, but what would stop a police person from requesting data from his/hers ex neighbor? Or daughters boyfriend neighbor. The neighbor just sees "police requested footage" and says yes. I would rather see some data on how helpful this is before it get's implemented. AFAIK video surveillance is often not as helpful as people think it is. Thanks to shows like CIS. I could be wrong.

gambiting 6y ago

With "normal" CCTV you control the data. If the police want it, they are very welcome to obtain a warranty and I'll be more than happy to give them copies of everything. No problem at all. But with something like Ring, you don't control the data. Police will have special arrangements where they can view recordings whenever they like, sometimes without a warrant, based on "suspicion" or some other nonsense like that. I'm also guessing that Ring doesn't tell you when this happens. That is a system prone to abuse. As to your last point - of course you should be able to volunteer the data if you want to. That was never in question.

mFixman 6y ago
Doesn't this comment contradict the article?
sn_master 6y ago
Exactly. The police should have to ask for every single piece of footage and present a case for it in front of a judge to get a warrant. Their job should be hard, so they only do it if they really have to.