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I've used proton for several years now. The only headache I've ever had is being unable to subscribe to the openbsd mailing list. And that's only because open

I've used proton for several years now. The only headache I've ever had is being unable to subscribe to the openbsd mailing list. And that's only because openbsd added proton servers to a spam list... a decision I wish they would revisit. Edit: I initially said freebsd mailing list. It was the openbsd mailing list.

dathinab 6y ago
> proton servers to a spam list Wait, what? Which serious organization adds a proper mail service on the spam list?
- pmlnr 6y ago
  All of them, sadly. Outlook is probably the craziest of all, adding the a /16 of Hetzner, because 1 IP sent spam.
  - vlpwx 6y ago
    So MSFT continues its attempts to extinguish the smaller providers while ostensibly being in favor of "diversity" and open source. How about blocking MSFT in Germany for anti-competitive practices?
  - icefo 6y ago
    I seriously doubt that only one IP of Hetzner sent spam but unfortunately it seems to be pretty common for email providers to soft ban VPS IPs. I don't know how much spam come from cheap hosting services but between the hacked servers and servers rented by spammers it's probably a lot.
  - dathinab 6y ago
    Wait but if microsoft completely blocks a cloud provider wrt. any mail sending this is a form of illegal hindering of competition as far as I can tell.
    - pmlnr 6y ago
      Yeah. And nobody can do anything other than wait until their period has passed. I had to mail Hetzner multiple times because of this.
sammorrowdrums 6y ago
That is an unusual decision. I guess some spammer(s) must have done something to deserve it at some point?
- quasirandom 6y ago
  Super unusual. I've never encountered the issue before or since.
  - codetrotter 6y ago
    Found this thread http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/OT-protonmail-mail-body-td322547.html http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/OT-protonmail-mail... Someone was complaining that mail sent from ProtonMail was unreadable to them. Turned out to be because of base64 encoding. Which is an RFC standard. However, several people in the thread insist that this is a problem. Theo de Raadt, the founder and leader of OpenBSD says in the thread: > Maybe it should be blocked. Then the users there can tell them to fix it. > Would have no downside for me. I guess this may be what happened? Really weird IMO. But at the same time I kind of see their point. They have a setup that works for them. And if they want to keep that system the way that it is, it is up to them. Still sad for people that use ProtonMail that they are blocked from even reading the list though if I understood the GP here correctly.
    - upofadown 6y ago
      Wait, Protonmail sends regular email as base64? Why would they do such a weird thing? It seems that that mailing list is "Plain text, 72 characters per line" by policy.

dathinab 6y ago

> proton servers to a spam list Wait, what? Which serious organization adds a proper mail service on the spam list?

pmlnr 6y ago
All of them, sadly. Outlook is probably the craziest of all, adding the a /16 of Hetzner, because 1 IP sent spam.
- vlpwx 6y ago
  So MSFT continues its attempts to extinguish the smaller providers while ostensibly being in favor of "diversity" and open source. How about blocking MSFT in Germany for anti-competitive practices?
- icefo 6y ago
  I seriously doubt that only one IP of Hetzner sent spam but unfortunately it seems to be pretty common for email providers to soft ban VPS IPs. I don't know how much spam come from cheap hosting services but between the hacked servers and servers rented by spammers it's probably a lot.
- dathinab 6y ago
  Wait but if microsoft completely blocks a cloud provider wrt. any mail sending this is a form of illegal hindering of competition as far as I can tell.
  - pmlnr 6y ago
    Yeah. And nobody can do anything other than wait until their period has passed. I had to mail Hetzner multiple times because of this.

sammorrowdrums 6y ago

That is an unusual decision. I guess some spammer(s) must have done something to deserve it at some point?

quasirandom 6y ago
Super unusual. I've never encountered the issue before or since.
- codetrotter 6y ago
  Found this thread http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/OT-protonmail-mail-body-td322547.html http://openbsd-archive.7691.n7.nabble.com/OT-protonmail-mail... Someone was complaining that mail sent from ProtonMail was unreadable to them. Turned out to be because of base64 encoding. Which is an RFC standard. However, several people in the thread insist that this is a problem. Theo de Raadt, the founder and leader of OpenBSD says in the thread: > Maybe it should be blocked. Then the users there can tell them to fix it. > Would have no downside for me. I guess this may be what happened? Really weird IMO. But at the same time I kind of see their point. They have a setup that works for them. And if they want to keep that system the way that it is, it is up to them. Still sad for people that use ProtonMail that they are blocked from even reading the list though if I understood the GP here correctly.
  - upofadown 6y ago
    Wait, Protonmail sends regular email as base64? Why would they do such a weird thing? It seems that that mailing list is "Plain text, 72 characters per line" by policy.