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Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any re

Yes. That is correct. But is it applied consistently. The op I responded was calling a group terrorist. I see many comments attacking a religion. I don't any reply suggestion a ban for these. Or I can't see those messages? Whatever be consistent.

dang 6y ago
We certainly intend to and try to apply the rules consistently, but the problem is that we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. One thing's clear: political/nationalistic/religious flamewar is not ok on HN regardless of which side people are fighting for or against. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
- hesarenu 6y ago
  I don't see any flagging link. I am not for or against, just wanted to point out the inconsistencies. I can't anyway flag, so would stay away from those threads.
  - dang 6y ago
    You can flag as much as anyone can; the karma limit for that is only 31. To flag a comment, though, you need to click on its timestamp to go to its page. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag.
- srean 6y ago
  If you look at my comment history think I have stuck to facts and been impersonal. Only transgression was when allegations were made by your parent poster that I called a million Hindu's a terrorist. That's a ridiculous and defamatory claim. I think I am allowed to ask for clarifications or contest it when words are put in my mouth
  - dang 6y ago
    You haven't just stuck to facts and been impersonal—you perpetuated the flamewar along with others. For example, swipes like "Yeah keep spreading lies" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979836), "You are just trying to avoid answering" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979695 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979695), and so on, are completely unacceptable here. It's all too easy to assume that you're following the rules when you aren't—we all suffer from this, because we have our own good intentions in mind when commenting. But those intentions don't communicate themselves, and when you're arguing, your comments are likely to come across as 10x more aggressive (if not 100x!) as they felt to you. It's as if, when sparring, people land punches much harder than they think they do. You don't feel it that way, but the other person sure does—and then they land a punch back that feels (to them) like it's about equal, but feels to you like it's 10x harder—and suddenly there's a brawl in which everyone feels like the other person started the conflict and escalated it, while they themselves are merely reacting. In reality, both are doing it, and both are subject to the same cognitive bias that makes it feel like we're the innocent one and they're the guilty one. For this reason it's super important to err on the side of scrupulously editing swipes and aggressive language out of your comments, especially on divisive topics. As the guidelines say: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Even if your intent is good, the burden is on you as an internet commenter to disambiguate your intent for the reader. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
    - srean 6y ago
      Thanks for the reasoned response. Certainly things for me to ponder about. I wouldn't belabor the points. Not sure how to call out lies and unfounded allegations such as "you called a million Hindus a terrorist". Unfortunately a section of a society just thrives on propagating the identity of a hurt majority -- they back stabbed Hindus, they called Hinduism names etc etc. History shows us that this is very dangerous. I am not to sure that keeping them uncontested is a good idea. Will have to find better and measured language to contest those.

dang 6y ago

We certainly intend to and try to apply the rules consistently, but the problem is that we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. One thing's clear: political/nationalistic/religious flamewar is not ok on HN regardless of which side people are fighting for or against. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

hesarenu 6y ago
I don't see any flagging link. I am not for or against, just wanted to point out the inconsistencies. I can't anyway flag, so would stay away from those threads.
- dang 6y ago
  You can flag as much as anyone can; the karma limit for that is only 31. To flag a comment, though, you need to click on its timestamp to go to its page. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag.
srean 6y ago
If you look at my comment history think I have stuck to facts and been impersonal. Only transgression was when allegations were made by your parent poster that I called a million Hindu's a terrorist. That's a ridiculous and defamatory claim. I think I am allowed to ask for clarifications or contest it when words are put in my mouth
- dang 6y ago
  You haven't just stuck to facts and been impersonal—you perpetuated the flamewar along with others. For example, swipes like "Yeah keep spreading lies" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979836), "You are just trying to avoid answering" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979695 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25979695), and so on, are completely unacceptable here. It's all too easy to assume that you're following the rules when you aren't—we all suffer from this, because we have our own good intentions in mind when commenting. But those intentions don't communicate themselves, and when you're arguing, your comments are likely to come across as 10x more aggressive (if not 100x!) as they felt to you. It's as if, when sparring, people land punches much harder than they think they do. You don't feel it that way, but the other person sure does—and then they land a punch back that feels (to them) like it's about equal, but feels to you like it's 10x harder—and suddenly there's a brawl in which everyone feels like the other person started the conflict and escalated it, while they themselves are merely reacting. In reality, both are doing it, and both are subject to the same cognitive bias that makes it feel like we're the innocent one and they're the guilty one. For this reason it's super important to err on the side of scrupulously editing swipes and aggressive language out of your comments, especially on divisive topics. As the guidelines say: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Even if your intent is good, the burden is on you as an internet commenter to disambiguate your intent for the reader. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=disambiguate%20burden%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
  - srean 6y ago
    Thanks for the reasoned response. Certainly things for me to ponder about. I wouldn't belabor the points. Not sure how to call out lies and unfounded allegations such as "you called a million Hindus a terrorist". Unfortunately a section of a society just thrives on propagating the identity of a hurt majority -- they back stabbed Hindus, they called Hinduism names etc etc. History shows us that this is very dangerous. I am not to sure that keeping them uncontested is a good idea. Will have to find better and measured language to contest those.