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> The point is that users aren't asking for Spotify to interpret their emotional state, they just want rather basic features to work. Obligatory “If I’d asked

> The point is that users aren't asking for Spotify to interpret their emotional state, they just want rather basic features to work. Obligatory “If I’d asked customers what they want, they would have told me a faster horse.” People may not realize the value of this new feature because they have not even imagined it.

falcolas 6y ago
What value does mining emotions provide for the customer?
- behringer 6y ago
  A better tailored playlist
  - winocm 6y ago
    And here I am, thinking that Spotify will start to provide me suicide prevention advice if I start listening to extremely depressing songs. I know Twitter tried to do that to me.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  I use YT Music's Mix feature to discover music and it's pretty good. If my supermix would figure what to play when, that would be pretty dope.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    What emotion should Spotify be shooting for? Good music can cause a lot of different emotions; dopamine can come from many emotional sources. Even no emotion is fine. Music doesn’t need to exercise our brains all the time. Or even every time you listen to a particular song.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      I don't particularly care about the details. I want the mixes or radios or discovers to be interesting to me. I'll give them lots of information if it will help them get it right.
- millstone 6y ago
  I think Spotify envisions a speaker which always plays exactly the right music at all times, reflecting the current mood and anticipating what's next, like a film score. That would indeed be incredible if it worked.
  - techbio 6y ago
    This comment made me wonder how many movies could succeed without the soundtrack.
    - Held_der_Arbeit 6y ago
      Or tv series without the laugh track?
  - YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
    To me that sounds positively Orwellian. And extremely annoying. And the part about "anticipating what's next" that reminds me of "What's expected of us" by Ted Chiang.
- numpad0 6y ago
  Pre-seeding to join the next revolution as new stories emerge
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thejosh 6y ago
Yes, how dare they want functionality to remove facebook from their account so they can login normally or other features?
- kirill5pol 6y ago
  Luckily it seems like they finally did that! I recently was able to log in without my Facebook account (although I’m not sure if it removed Facebook from the account or not, but I no longer need to login with Facebook to access Spotify)
dukeofdoom 6y ago
I'm always amazed how badly designed software is. To the point that anyone trying to use the damn thing could point out problems within 10 seconds. I was shopping for a replacement bathroom fan on home depot website. I just want to find one that will fit in the old hole. You would think I would be able to filter by the actual size of the box. But no, its not apparent at all what their listed measurements refer to. Just give me a drawing with the dimension of the box. Thats all. Better yet, take the fan out of the box and showing me some pictures with measurements. But nope. Every fan has different included information. And this is after a year of Corona. And everyone needing to shop online.
- bombela 6y ago
  This is so painfully true. Try sorting screws by size next...
  - Forge36 6y ago
    https://www.mcmaster.com/ https://www.mcmaster.com/ Or even https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/screws/machine-screws https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/screws/machine-s... Specialty stores? I wouldn't want to do this at scale with Amazon.
- numpad0 6y ago
  Shops like you described for B2C markets existed in the past. All voted out by wallets.
  - bombela 6y ago
    I have trouble understanding how much cheaper it is to simply not sort objects into the right categories. I guess it must be significantly cheaper at scale. But it's such a waste of time for everybody it's infuriating.
    - ethanwillis 6y ago
      Cheaper for who is the question. Businesses now increase profits by externalizing costs.
Forge36 6y ago
Ford was being honest. The degree to which anyone at the time had a car it was a sign of luxury or great expense. Ford made it cheap. What the people wanted was to go from A to B faster. How they did was "via a horse". Logically "faster horse" is their solution (of which I'm certain there were varying qualities of horses, some of which you wouldn't want to trust your life with). What Ford did was focus on a problem "transportation is slow" (and horses make a lot of manure). The Model T >prized for its low cost, durability, versatility, and ease of maintenance This was 5 years after the first car (Model A) in 1903. Which was 7 years after the prototype in 1896. From: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ideas/ct-p/newideas https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ideas/ct-p/newideas 1. Add support for Apple Silicon (run on my computer) 2. Update the Spotify app icon for macOS Big Sur (fit the theme of computer/life) 3. Please bring back the Hide this Song Option and I dont like this song/ artist (listening to this puts me in a mood I don't like, don't play it) - This is arguably the same thing as "detect emotional state": "wrong mood do not want". Ignoring that data signal suggests misaligned incentives/goals. While I'm certain many songs share common emotions between people, the degree to which we react to an individual song or genre varies. I'm not sure how they'd hope to accurately tune an emotional scale while also refusing to block songs/artists. 4. Emotes and user reactions - again: gather the data surrounding how a song makes you feel. The ability to gather and train on this data should be crucial, without it how could they capture users emotions? (I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just clear to me this is aligned with the patent) 5. Globe Learning - a suggestion to visualize music globally by artist home country/state/city I wouldn't consider "inquisitive" or "learning" an emotion, but perhaps it's a higher order grouper "what state is the listener in". There's an emotional component to the process of learning and ignoring "confused", "curious" exploration of something foreign could lead to an better overall "fulfilled emotional state" To rephrase your last sentence: People (including companies) may not realize the value of a new feature because it has been neither _implemented_ nor _measured_.
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Until you realize you're a proprietary cyborg owned by Umbrella.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
> People may not realize the value of this new feature because they have not even imagined it. Sure, but in the meantime, they do realize the value of the features they keep requesting. The sad reality is: not many people are going to leave Spotify because they can't change their user name or filter explicit songs[0]; they're essentially captive. The company instead wants to focus on features that will attract new users. The service will remain as bad as it can possibly be without hemorrhaging users, because from the POV of a growth-oriented company, existing users are worthless and not worth paying attention to. -- [0] - Though I'm pretty sure at least marking songs as explicit was a feature years ago, when I used Spotify. A regression?
jjj123 6y ago
The “value” spotify is optimizing for is for itself, not for the user. The greatest trick tech companies have pulled is convincing us that their metrics are our metrics, when they’re often independent or at odds with each other. Edited for clarity

falcolas 6y ago

What value does mining emotions provide for the customer?

behringer 6y ago
A better tailored playlist
- winocm 6y ago
  And here I am, thinking that Spotify will start to provide me suicide prevention advice if I start listening to extremely depressing songs. I know Twitter tried to do that to me.
renewiltord 6y ago
I use YT Music's Mix feature to discover music and it's pretty good. If my supermix would figure what to play when, that would be pretty dope.
- falcolas 6y ago
  What emotion should Spotify be shooting for? Good music can cause a lot of different emotions; dopamine can come from many emotional sources. Even no emotion is fine. Music doesn’t need to exercise our brains all the time. Or even every time you listen to a particular song.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    I don't particularly care about the details. I want the mixes or radios or discovers to be interesting to me. I'll give them lots of information if it will help them get it right.
millstone 6y ago
I think Spotify envisions a speaker which always plays exactly the right music at all times, reflecting the current mood and anticipating what's next, like a film score. That would indeed be incredible if it worked.
- techbio 6y ago
  This comment made me wonder how many movies could succeed without the soundtrack.
  - Held_der_Arbeit 6y ago
    Or tv series without the laugh track?
- YeGoblynQueenne 6y ago
  To me that sounds positively Orwellian. And extremely annoying. And the part about "anticipating what's next" that reminds me of "What's expected of us" by Ted Chiang.
numpad0 6y ago
Pre-seeding to join the next revolution as new stories emerge

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thejosh 6y ago

Yes, how dare they want functionality to remove facebook from their account so they can login normally or other features?

kirill5pol 6y ago
Luckily it seems like they finally did that! I recently was able to log in without my Facebook account (although I’m not sure if it removed Facebook from the account or not, but I no longer need to login with Facebook to access Spotify)

dukeofdoom 6y ago

I'm always amazed how badly designed software is. To the point that anyone trying to use the damn thing could point out problems within 10 seconds. I was shopping for a replacement bathroom fan on home depot website. I just want to find one that will fit in the old hole. You would think I would be able to filter by the actual size of the box. But no, its not apparent at all what their listed measurements refer to. Just give me a drawing with the dimension of the box. Thats all. Better yet, take the fan out of the box and showing me some pictures with measurements. But nope. Every fan has different included information. And this is after a year of Corona. And everyone needing to shop online.

bombela 6y ago
This is so painfully true. Try sorting screws by size next...
- Forge36 6y ago
  https://www.mcmaster.com/ https://www.mcmaster.com/ Or even https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/screws/machine-screws https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/screws/machine-s... Specialty stores? I wouldn't want to do this at scale with Amazon.
numpad0 6y ago
Shops like you described for B2C markets existed in the past. All voted out by wallets.
- bombela 6y ago
  I have trouble understanding how much cheaper it is to simply not sort objects into the right categories. I guess it must be significantly cheaper at scale. But it's such a waste of time for everybody it's infuriating.
  - ethanwillis 6y ago
    Cheaper for who is the question. Businesses now increase profits by externalizing costs.

Forge36 6y ago

Ford was being honest. The degree to which anyone at the time had a car it was a sign of luxury or great expense. Ford made it cheap. What the people wanted was to go from A to B faster. How they did was "via a horse". Logically "faster horse" is their solution (of which I'm certain there were varying qualities of horses, some of which you wouldn't want to trust your life with). What Ford did was focus on a problem "transportation is slow" (and horses make a lot of manure). The Model T >prized for its low cost, durability, versatility, and ease of maintenance This was 5 years after the first car (Model A) in 1903. Which was 7 years after the prototype in 1896. From: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ideas/ct-p/newideas https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ideas/ct-p/newideas 1. Add support for Apple Silicon (run on my computer) 2. Update the Spotify app icon for macOS Big Sur (fit the theme of computer/life) 3. Please bring back the Hide this Song Option and I dont like this song/ artist (listening to this puts me in a mood I don't like, don't play it) - This is arguably the same thing as "detect emotional state": "wrong mood do not want". Ignoring that data signal suggests misaligned incentives/goals. While I'm certain many songs share common emotions between people, the degree to which we react to an individual song or genre varies. I'm not sure how they'd hope to accurately tune an emotional scale while also refusing to block songs/artists. 4. Emotes and user reactions - again: gather the data surrounding how a song makes you feel. The ability to gather and train on this data should be crucial, without it how could they capture users emotions? (I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just clear to me this is aligned with the patent) 5. Globe Learning - a suggestion to visualize music globally by artist home country/state/city I wouldn't consider "inquisitive" or "learning" an emotion, but perhaps it's a higher order grouper "what state is the listener in". There's an emotional component to the process of learning and ignoring "confused", "curious" exploration of something foreign could lead to an better overall "fulfilled emotional state" To rephrase your last sentence: People (including companies) may not realize the value of a new feature because it has been neither _implemented_ nor _measured_.

GoblinSlayer 6y ago

Until you realize you're a proprietary cyborg owned by Umbrella.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

> People may not realize the value of this new feature because they have not even imagined it. Sure, but in the meantime, they do realize the value of the features they keep requesting. The sad reality is: not many people are going to leave Spotify because they can't change their user name or filter explicit songs[0]; they're essentially captive. The company instead wants to focus on features that will attract new users. The service will remain as bad as it can possibly be without hemorrhaging users, because from the POV of a growth-oriented company, existing users are worthless and not worth paying attention to. -- [0] - Though I'm pretty sure at least marking songs as explicit was a feature years ago, when I used Spotify. A regression?

jjj123 6y ago

The “value” spotify is optimizing for is for itself, not for the user. The greatest trick tech companies have pulled is convincing us that their metrics are our metrics, when they’re often independent or at odds with each other. Edited for clarity