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Yes we should be honest about the shortcomings of both sides, but if you think what happened on the 6th is even in the same league as what happened in Portland

by sib301 6y ago

Yes we should be honest about the shortcomings of both sides, but if you think what happened on the 6th is even in the same league as what happened in Portland then I think you might be misguided. Aside from the death of the police officer, and the fact that this was the US Capitol and not some random democratic headquarters where some windows broke, and spray paint was left, it should astound and terrify you that one of these was done under the banner of, and at the direction of a political leader. If there are Twitter handles that are provably inciting violence on either side, ban them and turn them into the authorities, but we’re not talking about the same thing here on both sides.

pure_simplicity 6y ago
If you think that what happened on January 6th was "at the direction of a political leader" then you might be misguided. Firstly, said political leader explicitly called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protest, and "cheering on the brave senators" to help give them courage, because his strategy was to pursue the full constitutional extent of recourse and remedy to contest the election, which is his right. The senators were in the process of doing that on his and his voters' behalf, but the events that unfolded against his wishes destroyed his opportunity to have the objections heard. Secondly, the group that stormed the capitol was a separate group that was already at the capitol, which is a 45 minute walk away, while Trump was still speaking so they could not have taken direction from Trump. Thirdly, the Trump supporters that did arrive from the speech told everyone NOT to participate in the breaching of the capitol, because they understood Trump's words and intentions. Lastly, while there were Trump supporters present that were caught up in the Q anon disinformation campaign that co-opted a minority of the Trump base to undermine Trump, there were also Antifa agitators present that led the charge and incited the violence (this is captured on video). I know Trump is the ideal scapegoat, but you really cannot pin the blame for this on him if you know the facts. What really happened on January 6th is that a small group of radicals at the fringe of Trump's base (+ antifa infiltrators), that are not responsive to Trump himself, but to an anonymous online cult leader going by the name Q, took advantage of the intentional lack of security measures despite the FBI monitoring Q world and knowing of nefarious plans, accompanied by some random bewildered folks walking around the capitol because they were let in, while the vast majority of Trump's supporters in DC did nothing but peacefully attend the rally hoping the senators would be able to present Trump's case convincingly, which was cut short by a few idiots that fell for an elaborately crafted years long disinformation campaign. The media and democrats immediately ran with the insurreciton narrative to discredit Trump and promote more government surveillance and infringement of rights based on their fear mongering about domestic terrorism. You don't have to like or agree with Trump, but the misrepresentation of what happened on Jan 6th is dangerous to our rights.

by sib301 6y ago

pure_simplicity 6y ago

If you think that what happened on January 6th was "at the direction of a political leader" then you might be misguided. Firstly, said political leader explicitly called for "peaceful" and "patriotic" protest, and "cheering on the brave senators" to help give them courage, because his strategy was to pursue the full constitutional extent of recourse and remedy to contest the election, which is his right. The senators were in the process of doing that on his and his voters' behalf, but the events that unfolded against his wishes destroyed his opportunity to have the objections heard. Secondly, the group that stormed the capitol was a separate group that was already at the capitol, which is a 45 minute walk away, while Trump was still speaking so they could not have taken direction from Trump. Thirdly, the Trump supporters that did arrive from the speech told everyone NOT to participate in the breaching of the capitol, because they understood Trump's words and intentions. Lastly, while there were Trump supporters present that were caught up in the Q anon disinformation campaign that co-opted a minority of the Trump base to undermine Trump, there were also Antifa agitators present that led the charge and incited the violence (this is captured on video). I know Trump is the ideal scapegoat, but you really cannot pin the blame for this on him if you know the facts. What really happened on January 6th is that a small group of radicals at the fringe of Trump's base (+ antifa infiltrators), that are not responsive to Trump himself, but to an anonymous online cult leader going by the name Q, took advantage of the intentional lack of security measures despite the FBI monitoring Q world and knowing of nefarious plans, accompanied by some random bewildered folks walking around the capitol because they were let in, while the vast majority of Trump's supporters in DC did nothing but peacefully attend the rally hoping the senators would be able to present Trump's case convincingly, which was cut short by a few idiots that fell for an elaborately crafted years long disinformation campaign. The media and democrats immediately ran with the insurreciton narrative to discredit Trump and promote more government surveillance and infringement of rights based on their fear mongering about domestic terrorism. You don't have to like or agree with Trump, but the misrepresentation of what happened on Jan 6th is dangerous to our rights.