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Interesting. I've checked [1] and it seems that number of antisemitic incidents in Poland is rather low (for instance is smaller than in Sweden, which has much

Interesting. I've checked [1] and it seems that number of antisemitic incidents in Poland is rather low (for instance is smaller than in Sweden, which has much smaller population), not to mention France, where number of incidents was 5 times bigger than in Poland. I am curious what is source of you information about Polish antisemitism. [1] https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2020/antisemitism-overview-2009-2019 https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2020/antisemitism-overv...

vaidhy 6y ago
I am really curious how a report like this can capture casual racism or antisemitism. When I was working in Switzerland a long time ago, one of the comments I heard frequently is that I am not like other Indians - I dress well, speak well and I am tall. I would consider it as a "racist" comment, but not something that would get reported. One of my other friends from India felt similar, if he is not dressed in a suit, he would be treated differently. I doubt he would report it either. You are different and will be treated differently. Jariel made a similar point above - you are constantly aware that it is not your country. I do not feel the same in US.
- rayiner 6y ago
  > When I was working in Switzerland a long time ago, one of the comments I heard frequently is that I am not like other Indians - I dress well, speak well and I am tall. I would consider it as a "racist" comment, but not something that would get reported. Yikes. Very Joe Biden: https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/ https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/ > "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." I've never gotten a comment like that as a South Asian (Bangladesh) in the United States.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    My own ex-boss (Bangladeshi immigrant from Dhaka) told me (Pakistani-American born here) when I asked him for a proper W2 in order to lease my car as opposed to a handwritten one that "suspicion runs in your veins like everyone else from the subcontinent" (I managed to extract it from the HR person)
    - rayiner 6y ago
      Lol!
      - selimthegrim 6y ago
        Well that's why he's my ex-boss and he apparently outsourced most development a few years after I quit.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    Yeah. The dude was in the Senate during the Nixon administration. He's (we hope) recovering from a seriously poisonous culture, particularly with respect to race and gender equality. But he's also the guy that forced Obama's hand on marriage equality. I'm inclined to watchfully wait and see how he handles things from here. In the meantime: he's said some stupid shit. What'd you expect?
    - rayiner 6y ago
      I’m just cringing at the comment itself. I think Biden’s a good guy who cares about people, even if he’s not always so great at saying words.
      - tptacek 6y ago
        Totally fair. He's exasperating, for sure.
        rayiner 6y ago
        I actually find it quite endearing (aside from this instance). I'm a big fan from when I was in Delaware.
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- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  That’s because the US is one of the most harmonious multicultural societies in the world. It just doesn’t seem that way if you read the news because it’s the rest of the worlds political punching bag. I’ve lived and worked all over Southeast Asia, and just openly being racist is perfectly normal there. Employers will openly tell you that they don’t want to hire foreigners, because they don’t trust them. Local ethnic minorities are consistently discriminated against, especially if there’s a local ethnic Chinese population (who in Indonesia for instance are often referred to as babi which means pig, or mata sipit which means slanted eyes). Contempt for people from neighbouring countries is very common. Working in KL it was very common to hear my colleagues talking about how much they don’t like Thai people. India takes things to a whole different level with their caste system and extreme distaste for dark skin. Ive never got particularly wound up about it, because I see myself as a guest whenever I go and work in a foreign country, so I’ve just got to play by their rules. But try applying that logic the US and see how long it takes for an outrage mob to come after you.
cameldrv 6y ago
Personal experience. I was talking to some absolutely lovely Polish friends of mine one evening, and somehow we were discussing Christmas growing up. Somehow it came up that many of my childhood friends celebrated Hanukah instead, and the response was a puzzled "You like Jews? Really?" After some mentions of typical stereotypes as to why that would be strange, I said that that wasn't my experience and changed the subject. From talking to other Polish people, my impression is that this is a fairly typical attitude. I think that the reason this doesn't show up as incidents in the news is simply that there are hardly any Jews in Poland because they were virtually completely wiped out in the Holocaust.

vaidhy 6y ago

I am really curious how a report like this can capture casual racism or antisemitism. When I was working in Switzerland a long time ago, one of the comments I heard frequently is that I am not like other Indians - I dress well, speak well and I am tall. I would consider it as a "racist" comment, but not something that would get reported. One of my other friends from India felt similar, if he is not dressed in a suit, he would be treated differently. I doubt he would report it either. You are different and will be treated differently. Jariel made a similar point above - you are constantly aware that it is not your country. I do not feel the same in US.

rayiner 6y ago
> When I was working in Switzerland a long time ago, one of the comments I heard frequently is that I am not like other Indians - I dress well, speak well and I am tall. I would consider it as a "racist" comment, but not something that would get reported. Yikes. Very Joe Biden: https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/ https://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/ > "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." I've never gotten a comment like that as a South Asian (Bangladesh) in the United States.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  My own ex-boss (Bangladeshi immigrant from Dhaka) told me (Pakistani-American born here) when I asked him for a proper W2 in order to lease my car as opposed to a handwritten one that "suspicion runs in your veins like everyone else from the subcontinent" (I managed to extract it from the HR person)
  - rayiner 6y ago
    Lol!
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      Well that's why he's my ex-boss and he apparently outsourced most development a few years after I quit.
- tptacek 6y ago
  Yeah. The dude was in the Senate during the Nixon administration. He's (we hope) recovering from a seriously poisonous culture, particularly with respect to race and gender equality. But he's also the guy that forced Obama's hand on marriage equality. I'm inclined to watchfully wait and see how he handles things from here. In the meantime: he's said some stupid shit. What'd you expect?
  - rayiner 6y ago
    I’m just cringing at the comment itself. I think Biden’s a good guy who cares about people, even if he’s not always so great at saying words.
    - tptacek 6y ago
      Totally fair. He's exasperating, for sure.
      - rayiner 6y ago
        I actually find it quite endearing (aside from this instance). I'm a big fan from when I was in Delaware.
    - deleted 6y ago
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AmericanChopper 6y ago
That’s because the US is one of the most harmonious multicultural societies in the world. It just doesn’t seem that way if you read the news because it’s the rest of the worlds political punching bag. I’ve lived and worked all over Southeast Asia, and just openly being racist is perfectly normal there. Employers will openly tell you that they don’t want to hire foreigners, because they don’t trust them. Local ethnic minorities are consistently discriminated against, especially if there’s a local ethnic Chinese population (who in Indonesia for instance are often referred to as babi which means pig, or mata sipit which means slanted eyes). Contempt for people from neighbouring countries is very common. Working in KL it was very common to hear my colleagues talking about how much they don’t like Thai people. India takes things to a whole different level with their caste system and extreme distaste for dark skin. Ive never got particularly wound up about it, because I see myself as a guest whenever I go and work in a foreign country, so I’ve just got to play by their rules. But try applying that logic the US and see how long it takes for an outrage mob to come after you.

cameldrv 6y ago

Personal experience. I was talking to some absolutely lovely Polish friends of mine one evening, and somehow we were discussing Christmas growing up. Somehow it came up that many of my childhood friends celebrated Hanukah instead, and the response was a puzzled "You like Jews? Really?" After some mentions of typical stereotypes as to why that would be strange, I said that that wasn't my experience and changed the subject. From talking to other Polish people, my impression is that this is a fairly typical attitude. I think that the reason this doesn't show up as incidents in the news is simply that there are hardly any Jews in Poland because they were virtually completely wiped out in the Holocaust.