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Please! All european countries have equal opportunity laws. If you are less qualified and do not speak local language, you will have a hard time! Compared to m

Please! All european countries have equal opportunity laws. If you are less qualified and do not speak local language, you will have a hard time! Compared to most european countries, US is very xenophobic. We offer clear path to citizenships, after 5 years you get passport. Not this dreamer BS.

xxpor 6y ago
The "dreamer BS" isn't in any way comparable. I seriously doubt you're offering citizenship in 5 years to anyone who shows up and sneaks across the border. I do think we should offer citizenship to the dreamers but it'd involve passing actual laws so...
- throw2838 6y ago
  Well, if they work, pay taxes, can have a driver licence... Yes they will get citizenship after 5 years of residency. I just hate this smug american BS. "We love XYZ", but will exploit it, and change rules every 4 years.
  - incrudible 6y ago
    > Well, if they work, pay taxes, can have a driver licence... Yes they will get citizenship after 5 years of residency. As far as I can tell, it is eight years of legal residency. You also must not be dependent on welfare, which implies that you're either already wealthy, dependent on someone, or you have permission to work. Very similar to the US. So effectively you have to apply for a work visa just like in the US, you can't just walk in and expect to be tolerated - unless you're a refugee.
  - plandis 6y ago
    Which European countries provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have lived in that given country for 5 years?
  - vinay427 6y ago
    > citizenship after 5 years of residency. This is literally false in many European countries. I live in one where it is false. Please verify details before posting with specific numbers. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becoming-a-citizen/29288376 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becoming-a-citizen/29288376
tomschlick 6y ago
> Not this dreamer BS. To be fair, the dreamers stuff is about people who came here / were brought here illegally by their parents. We definitely have work to do on our immigration system but I would imagine if I immigrated to Germany illegally they wouldn't make the process very easy on me either.
dexen 6y ago
>Compared to most european countries, US is very xenophobic. As an european who have worked for european and for american companies[1]... no, very much it's the reverse: european companies pay a lot of attention to university, nationality (home culture, really), and social class for matters of promotion; american companies are more results-oriented and much more cosmopolitan. You might be judging it by what's being broadcasted in popular media - the european "we're enlightened all the way through" versus the american "we still have ways to go". >All european countries have equal opportunity laws. Only really useful for bilking the big multinational companies for moderately stingy fines. Nobody gets ahead because of a lawsuit. -- [1] selection bias caveat applies, obviously
- randompwd 6y ago
  There is no "European" in the same way there is "American". Europe country cultures are massively more different and diverse than US states. There's only been free pan-EU movement since the Lisbon Treaty in December 2009. 11 years is not enough time to achieve the homogeneity that US citizens have from being single(dual at most) language, single currency & no borders for hundreds of years. Not to mention the similar pan US TV they all shared for decades.
  - vinay427 6y ago
    To be fair, this applies even more directly to the parent of the comment you replied to (GP), which asserted that you get a passport after 5 years. That's true in a few European countries but explicitly false in many others.
orange_tee 6y ago
Of course, but the law is a joke in practice (which btw is something I found typical of German law). It is very hard to prove discrimination and no immigrant would have the money, time and energy to pick such a battle. What most of them do instead, (which is smarter than trying to fight a German employer in a German court) is they use Germany as a stepping stone. They come here, get a couple years of experience and move to a more welcoming country afterwards. And German bureaucrats and employers wonder why retention is so low.

xxpor 6y ago

The "dreamer BS" isn't in any way comparable. I seriously doubt you're offering citizenship in 5 years to anyone who shows up and sneaks across the border. I do think we should offer citizenship to the dreamers but it'd involve passing actual laws so...

throw2838 6y ago
Well, if they work, pay taxes, can have a driver licence... Yes they will get citizenship after 5 years of residency. I just hate this smug american BS. "We love XYZ", but will exploit it, and change rules every 4 years.
- incrudible 6y ago
  > Well, if they work, pay taxes, can have a driver licence... Yes they will get citizenship after 5 years of residency. As far as I can tell, it is eight years of legal residency. You also must not be dependent on welfare, which implies that you're either already wealthy, dependent on someone, or you have permission to work. Very similar to the US. So effectively you have to apply for a work visa just like in the US, you can't just walk in and expect to be tolerated - unless you're a refugee.
- plandis 6y ago
  Which European countries provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have lived in that given country for 5 years?
- vinay427 6y ago
  > citizenship after 5 years of residency. This is literally false in many European countries. I live in one where it is false. Please verify details before posting with specific numbers. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becoming-a-citizen/29288376 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/becoming-a-citizen/29288376

tomschlick 6y ago

> Not this dreamer BS. To be fair, the dreamers stuff is about people who came here / were brought here illegally by their parents. We definitely have work to do on our immigration system but I would imagine if I immigrated to Germany illegally they wouldn't make the process very easy on me either.

dexen 6y ago

>Compared to most european countries, US is very xenophobic. As an european who have worked for european and for american companies[1]... no, very much it's the reverse: european companies pay a lot of attention to university, nationality (home culture, really), and social class for matters of promotion; american companies are more results-oriented and much more cosmopolitan. You might be judging it by what's being broadcasted in popular media - the european "we're enlightened all the way through" versus the american "we still have ways to go". >All european countries have equal opportunity laws. Only really useful for bilking the big multinational companies for moderately stingy fines. Nobody gets ahead because of a lawsuit. -- [1] selection bias caveat applies, obviously

randompwd 6y ago
There is no "European" in the same way there is "American". Europe country cultures are massively more different and diverse than US states. There's only been free pan-EU movement since the Lisbon Treaty in December 2009. 11 years is not enough time to achieve the homogeneity that US citizens have from being single(dual at most) language, single currency & no borders for hundreds of years. Not to mention the similar pan US TV they all shared for decades.
- vinay427 6y ago
  To be fair, this applies even more directly to the parent of the comment you replied to (GP), which asserted that you get a passport after 5 years. That's true in a few European countries but explicitly false in many others.

orange_tee 6y ago

Of course, but the law is a joke in practice (which btw is something I found typical of German law). It is very hard to prove discrimination and no immigrant would have the money, time and energy to pick such a battle. What most of them do instead, (which is smarter than trying to fight a German employer in a German court) is they use Germany as a stepping stone. They come here, get a couple years of experience and move to a more welcoming country afterwards. And German bureaucrats and employers wonder why retention is so low.