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Is San Francisco a special case, though? It's a one party government that tends to tilt towards the extreme in its decision making, with an extraordinarily weal

Is San Francisco a special case, though? It's a one party government that tends to tilt towards the extreme in its decision making, with an extraordinarily wealthy class of citizens, and a very difficult homeless and drug population, all compounded in a small area. I'm old. I remember San Francisco of the 80s, prosperous, wild, open armed, and beautiful. Today it's a concrete jungle with terrible management.

ndiscussion 6y ago
Portland, Seattle, Austin, Chicago, Minneapolis, Baltimore, Columbus, LA... I guess you're right, it's all in one-party cities. But, that's like, almost all of the biggest cities? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... I'm sure there's some cities on that list that occasionally vote for the other party, but I think cities inherently become democrat-leaning because the people inside cities tend to be poor. NYC seems to be doing alright because they had extreme hardass policies in the 90s (kicking out homeless, literally) but that probably won't last much longer.
- gspr 6y ago
  Ah yes, kicking the homeless out is sure to fix things! Maybe also try banning hunger?
  - ndiscussion 6y ago
    Not saying that's the solution (they gotta go somewhere), just observing that it's remarkably clean for it's size. And that's probably the reason. Sadly, whichever side is in power, nothing seems to help reduce the homeless problem...
throwawaysea 6y ago
Seattle is pretty much the same. It retained its old Seattle credentials until the mid 2000s and then it started a rapid change politically, maybe due to a tipping point in terms of California transplants or some other such trend. Now it is a one party city with extreme (far left) politics being normalized. The effects of that are apparent daily - despite ever increasing city and state budgets, urban blight is everywhere in all the same forms as SF. The homelessness and drug abuse issues have been induced by a soft on crime local government that takes no responsibility for anything but instead uses these permanent “crises” as political leverage. The spiral of echo chamber politics dooms the city to this direction.
- gspr 6y ago
  It is truly mindbogglingly fascinating to see Americans talk about "the extreme far left", and also very cute how you guys somehow think that left-wing politics cause homelessness and drug abuse. These people just need a stern order to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, then all the poop will be gone from the streets, am I right?
- JAlexoid 6y ago
  I find it funny when NIMBYs are called far left. LOL! Far left is literally against conservatism, that is the driving force behind NIMBYs.

ndiscussion 6y ago

Portland, Seattle, Austin, Chicago, Minneapolis, Baltimore, Columbus, LA... I guess you're right, it's all in one-party cities. But, that's like, almost all of the biggest cities? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... I'm sure there's some cities on that list that occasionally vote for the other party, but I think cities inherently become democrat-leaning because the people inside cities tend to be poor. NYC seems to be doing alright because they had extreme hardass policies in the 90s (kicking out homeless, literally) but that probably won't last much longer.

gspr 6y ago
Ah yes, kicking the homeless out is sure to fix things! Maybe also try banning hunger?
- ndiscussion 6y ago
  Not saying that's the solution (they gotta go somewhere), just observing that it's remarkably clean for it's size. And that's probably the reason. Sadly, whichever side is in power, nothing seems to help reduce the homeless problem...

throwawaysea 6y ago

Seattle is pretty much the same. It retained its old Seattle credentials until the mid 2000s and then it started a rapid change politically, maybe due to a tipping point in terms of California transplants or some other such trend. Now it is a one party city with extreme (far left) politics being normalized. The effects of that are apparent daily - despite ever increasing city and state budgets, urban blight is everywhere in all the same forms as SF. The homelessness and drug abuse issues have been induced by a soft on crime local government that takes no responsibility for anything but instead uses these permanent “crises” as political leverage. The spiral of echo chamber politics dooms the city to this direction.

gspr 6y ago
It is truly mindbogglingly fascinating to see Americans talk about "the extreme far left", and also very cute how you guys somehow think that left-wing politics cause homelessness and drug abuse. These people just need a stern order to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, then all the poop will be gone from the streets, am I right?
JAlexoid 6y ago
I find it funny when NIMBYs are called far left. LOL! Far left is literally against conservatism, that is the driving force behind NIMBYs.