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Don got 5 killed during an attack on the capital, last I checked. A lot of good can come from private companies choosing not to give oxygen to his lies and hate

Don got 5 killed during an attack on the capital, last I checked. A lot of good can come from private companies choosing not to give oxygen to his lies and hate.

DC1350 6y ago
I agree. Joe Biden should be taken off the air for allowing 4000 Americans to die from COVID every day and countless others to be blown up by the military that he commands.
- deleted 6y ago
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- crawsome 6y ago
  The depth of ignorance of your comment is astounding. Who was president for the past 4 years up until 2 weeks ago?
  - DC1350 6y ago
    Biden spent months talking about how much work he was going to do to fix everything on day one. Literally nothing that matters has even been done yet. No excuses
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  I actually agree with that, Biden is responsible for his feeble COVID response. From Summer onwards, it was quite clear that Biden was going to be President, and his team had 6 months to come up with a coronarecovery program to be implemented day 1 of his presidency. Instead, we are seeing a reliance on the vaccination program that was instituted by Trump (and works better than expectations) but nothing else. No word about elevated and long-term unemployment, branches of industry that are not coming back, low salaries and high asset prices. Everyone is worried about the stock market bubble, yet Biden's economic team is the usual Wall Street subjects.
  - crawsome 6y ago
    Some serious mental gymnastics required if you think Biden had a silver bullet from Day 1. I'm sure he will come to disappoint us in the end, but the guy has been hard at work for the last 2 weeks reversing all kinds of Trump stuff. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/biden-sets-to-work-reversing-trump-policies-and-unveils-ambitious-immigration-plan-1.4464139 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/biden-sets-to-work-...
    - HarryHirsch 6y ago
      More immigration is precisely what's needed when new unemployment claims are still > than 3 times normal. That, and black women on 20-dollar bills.
- geofft 6y ago
  In seriousness, if we had this as a norm (and not just a bludgeon for whatever politician we don't like), we'd be in a better place as a society. Obama has admitted that he continued the drone strikes because he couldn't afford to look soft on terrorism as a Democrat, for instance. No law compelled him to, just the court of public opinion. How would we get to the point where, instead, he couldn't afford to look excited about bombing? And, similarly, different countries have had wildly different rates of success at dealing with covid, but history will not remember Ardern or Phúc as a hero for the lives they saved, and it won't remember any national leader who didn't manage to do the same (Trump, Biden, or especially Löfven and Tegnell) as villains. It will remember Trump and Biden as leaders of a superpower, and it will remember, falsely, that covid surprised everyone and everyone dealt with it as best they could. Again, the incentives are bad. Why bother to try your hardest if people don't mind if you fail and you get some temporary popularity from saying "Everything is fine, go party"? People respond to incentives, and this applies to everything from national politics to, oh, workplace politics. Remember that Twitter banned Trump because enough of their employees finally had enough (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/how-twitter-banned-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/how-twi...) more than any policy reason per se. Companies listen to unions when having the unionized employees present enough of an incentive for management to listen. Companies listen to non-unionized employees under the same conditions, too. A union just makes things more formal. The fact that Biden did not feel compelled to suspend all military activity and lock down the country immediately upon assuming the presidency is certainly a failure of our society. If you want to say it's a personal failure, I (a Biden voter) will gladly join you. Let's just make sure we keep saying it for every president.
  - hedora 6y ago
    According to the actual covid death rates, infection rates, and projections, Sweden is doing about as well as the rest of Europe, and much, much better than the US: https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=trend https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=... I’m not sure why Tegnell gets so much hate for doing a softer economic shutdown, and getting similar results as more draconian approaches. As a bonus, projections say they’ll hit herd immunity sooner than many countries (assuming vaccine rollouts). I guess, as you point out, history is written by the victorious, and Sweden’s minority approach will always be backed by a minority political voice.
oji0hub 6y ago
Keep in mind the very same people supported organizations like antifa and blm who killed or got killed a lot more than 5 people over the past few years...
- crawsome 6y ago
  93% of the BLM protests were completely peaceful. https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/ https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/ 100% of the Capitol Protests are known to break into the capitol.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    Several hundred of them were not peaceful, and it doesn’t matter where you set the goal posts to get a denominator that allows you to say 93%. You’re also wrong on that 100%.
  - will4274 6y ago
    93% of Trump rallies were peaceful. Does that make Charlottesville or the Capitol riot ok because they were part of the 7%?
  - stale2002 6y ago
    You believe that 10s of thousands of people broke into the capital building? How would that even be possible? I want to know the logistics of your theory of the 10s of thousands of people who were in DC that day, all being funneled into a single building
  - ttt0 6y ago
    First of all, "were" and "are known" is like apples and oranges. Second, there wasn't just one Capitol Protest. So no, you're wrong.
- sp332 6y ago
  Source for antifa or BLM body count?
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Please stick to facts, not fan fiction.
jancsika 6y ago
The problem is Youtube almost certainly will not filter on "lies and hate." Youtube will filter on some blackbox intersection of heightened speech that has the potential to rile people up on the one hand, and a balance of cases such that Republicans cannot grandstand in Congressional testimony that Google is targeting the right. So Jimmy Dore-- who generally yells, is unpleasant, and calls people names as he spews truths (mixed with the occasional naive opinion)-- might hit the filter. Or some boring socialist collective that nobody's heard of, like that case that Dorsey clearly used just so he'd have the name of a left-leaning organization that Twitter had banned. Another way to say this: I do believe in "more speech" as a way to fight "bad speech," but if "more speech" does not include the freedom to read, understand, modify, and publish modifications of the recommendation algos that prime over a hundred million people then it's a dangerously constrained and misleading debate. Furthermore-- if we depend on the "temporary" solution of trusting the companies to do cherry-picked bans to appease hundreds of millions of users, the companies will use all their data, money, and connections to paint that as a long term solution and leverage it to their bigger fight against monopoly regulation.
- ttt0 6y ago
  They will filter "lies and hate". But that doesn't mean the "lies and hate" will magically disappear. Only the Government-approved(TM) lies and hate will be allowed to justify wars and authoritarian policies and you will be demonized and depersoned if you even try to question it. This is going to happen.

Don got 5 killed during an attack on the capital, last I checked. A lot of good can come from private companies choosing not to give oxygen to his lies and hate.

DC1350 6y ago

I agree. Joe Biden should be taken off the air for allowing 4000 Americans to die from COVID every day and countless others to be blown up by the military that he commands.

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crawsome 6y ago
The depth of ignorance of your comment is astounding. Who was president for the past 4 years up until 2 weeks ago?
- DC1350 6y ago
  Biden spent months talking about how much work he was going to do to fix everything on day one. Literally nothing that matters has even been done yet. No excuses
HarryHirsch 6y ago
I actually agree with that, Biden is responsible for his feeble COVID response. From Summer onwards, it was quite clear that Biden was going to be President, and his team had 6 months to come up with a coronarecovery program to be implemented day 1 of his presidency. Instead, we are seeing a reliance on the vaccination program that was instituted by Trump (and works better than expectations) but nothing else. No word about elevated and long-term unemployment, branches of industry that are not coming back, low salaries and high asset prices. Everyone is worried about the stock market bubble, yet Biden's economic team is the usual Wall Street subjects.
- crawsome 6y ago
  Some serious mental gymnastics required if you think Biden had a silver bullet from Day 1. I'm sure he will come to disappoint us in the end, but the guy has been hard at work for the last 2 weeks reversing all kinds of Trump stuff. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/biden-sets-to-work-reversing-trump-policies-and-unveils-ambitious-immigration-plan-1.4464139 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/biden-sets-to-work-...
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    More immigration is precisely what's needed when new unemployment claims are still > than 3 times normal. That, and black women on 20-dollar bills.
geofft 6y ago
In seriousness, if we had this as a norm (and not just a bludgeon for whatever politician we don't like), we'd be in a better place as a society. Obama has admitted that he continued the drone strikes because he couldn't afford to look soft on terrorism as a Democrat, for instance. No law compelled him to, just the court of public opinion. How would we get to the point where, instead, he couldn't afford to look excited about bombing? And, similarly, different countries have had wildly different rates of success at dealing with covid, but history will not remember Ardern or Phúc as a hero for the lives they saved, and it won't remember any national leader who didn't manage to do the same (Trump, Biden, or especially Löfven and Tegnell) as villains. It will remember Trump and Biden as leaders of a superpower, and it will remember, falsely, that covid surprised everyone and everyone dealt with it as best they could. Again, the incentives are bad. Why bother to try your hardest if people don't mind if you fail and you get some temporary popularity from saying "Everything is fine, go party"? People respond to incentives, and this applies to everything from national politics to, oh, workplace politics. Remember that Twitter banned Trump because enough of their employees finally had enough (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/how-twitter-banned-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/how-twi...) more than any policy reason per se. Companies listen to unions when having the unionized employees present enough of an incentive for management to listen. Companies listen to non-unionized employees under the same conditions, too. A union just makes things more formal. The fact that Biden did not feel compelled to suspend all military activity and lock down the country immediately upon assuming the presidency is certainly a failure of our society. If you want to say it's a personal failure, I (a Biden voter) will gladly join you. Let's just make sure we keep saying it for every president.
- hedora 6y ago
  According to the actual covid death rates, infection rates, and projections, Sweden is doing about as well as the rest of Europe, and much, much better than the US: https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=trend https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=... I’m not sure why Tegnell gets so much hate for doing a softer economic shutdown, and getting similar results as more draconian approaches. As a bonus, projections say they’ll hit herd immunity sooner than many countries (assuming vaccine rollouts). I guess, as you point out, history is written by the victorious, and Sweden’s minority approach will always be backed by a minority political voice.

oji0hub 6y ago

Keep in mind the very same people supported organizations like antifa and blm who killed or got killed a lot more than 5 people over the past few years...

crawsome 6y ago
93% of the BLM protests were completely peaceful. https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/ https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/ 100% of the Capitol Protests are known to break into the capitol.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Several hundred of them were not peaceful, and it doesn’t matter where you set the goal posts to get a denominator that allows you to say 93%. You’re also wrong on that 100%.
- will4274 6y ago
  93% of Trump rallies were peaceful. Does that make Charlottesville or the Capitol riot ok because they were part of the 7%?
- stale2002 6y ago
  You believe that 10s of thousands of people broke into the capital building? How would that even be possible? I want to know the logistics of your theory of the 10s of thousands of people who were in DC that day, all being funneled into a single building
- ttt0 6y ago
  First of all, "were" and "are known" is like apples and oranges. Second, there wasn't just one Capitol Protest. So no, you're wrong.
sp332 6y ago
Source for antifa or BLM body count?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Please stick to facts, not fan fiction.

jancsika 6y ago

The problem is Youtube almost certainly will not filter on "lies and hate." Youtube will filter on some blackbox intersection of heightened speech that has the potential to rile people up on the one hand, and a balance of cases such that Republicans cannot grandstand in Congressional testimony that Google is targeting the right. So Jimmy Dore-- who generally yells, is unpleasant, and calls people names as he spews truths (mixed with the occasional naive opinion)-- might hit the filter. Or some boring socialist collective that nobody's heard of, like that case that Dorsey clearly used just so he'd have the name of a left-leaning organization that Twitter had banned. Another way to say this: I do believe in "more speech" as a way to fight "bad speech," but if "more speech" does not include the freedom to read, understand, modify, and publish modifications of the recommendation algos that prime over a hundred million people then it's a dangerously constrained and misleading debate. Furthermore-- if we depend on the "temporary" solution of trusting the companies to do cherry-picked bans to appease hundreds of millions of users, the companies will use all their data, money, and connections to paint that as a long term solution and leverage it to their bigger fight against monopoly regulation.

ttt0 6y ago
They will filter "lies and hate". But that doesn't mean the "lies and hate" will magically disappear. Only the Government-approved(TM) lies and hate will be allowed to justify wars and authoritarian policies and you will be demonized and depersoned if you even try to question it. This is going to happen.